BanditTron Wrote:SPOILER... Mouse Over To Read: haha, at what point do we stop doing spoiler tags? The episode is officially released afterall? For those that haven't seen it yet I would think that avoiding the thread that is meant for discussion on the episode would just be avoided until after they watch it. Thats what I do.

Hmm...you have a point. The way I've seen it done on other forums for weekly shows is that one stops using spoiler tags when the next episode comes out. Meaning that we would stop using them here once 'Tagged' airs. *shrugs*

typicaltronname Wrote: SPOILER... Mouse Over To Read: Just finished watching the episode and I have to ask, where is everyone getting "Cyrus" from? I didn' t see a reference to him in this episode.

Still using spoiler tags for now . . .

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Pilgrim1099 Wrote: SPOILER... Mouse Over To Read: Also, this was in the Outlands, right? Where Programs can't function on foot except for air vehicles? If so, would'nt Beck's bike go out of commission simply by going into the Outlands? Even himself, losing energy?

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Pilgrim1099 Wrote: SPOILER... Mouse Over To Read: I also wonder if Beck's odd vision of Tron and CLU might be a manipulation of CLU reaching out to him? Almost like the Emperor pulling Anakin Skywalker's strings?

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P.S. BEST. EPISODE. EVAR. The TRON/TRON 2.0 aesthetic was a welcome surprise.

LORD_Z3DD Wrote:...Now let me ask you a question, how is this legion of Clowns keeping the grid under control? ...

Interesting question, but rationally, I can explain it away pretty easily.
One, the guards are "better fighters" than the "average program", and two, much more importantly, there are thousands upon thousands of them. If every other program on the grid was in full revolt mode, you could still make a case that Clu "controls" the majority of programs on the grid, and therefore, controls the grid...

Just my thoughts...

renderinfo2 Wrote: LORD_Z3DD Wrote:...Now let me ask you a question, how is this legion of Clowns keeping the grid under control? ... Interesting question, but rationally, I can explain it away pretty easily. One, the guards are "better fighters" than the "average program", and two, much more importantly, there are thousands upon thousands of them. If every other program on the grid was in full revolt mode, you could still make a case that Clu "controls" the majority of programs on the grid, and therefore, controls the grid... Just my thoughts...

Thats why an old mechanic can defeat them easily? what about the terrified program from the beginning of " Grounded"? She defeated a black guard by pushing him, so I assume her fighting skills make Tron look like an Amateur.

Also in an unrelated note, The Stranger's prison is in the outlands , remember where Tron/rinzler appeared to Beck for the first time? Seems to me that Tron was heading home after making a little visit to the Stranger and found Beck.

Also, the program at the beginning of Grounded could be explained simply by saying she got lucky and surprised the guard. He wasn't defeated, more like, knocked down for a sec.))

Just a random note about programs, vehicles, and the outlands:

In Legacy when Quorra reassures Sam that they won't be immediately pursued, I think it's safe to assume she is only talking about the black guards and Clu on their arena spec light cycles. Those vehicles were only designed for Grid pavement. So they weren't going to fly out the hole in the wall after them.

There were clearly plenty of vehicles that could go into the outlands, at least by flying. In Uprising we see people going offroad all the time, in both rocky outlands, and snowbound outland terrain. And there's plenty of standard vehicles that have offroad modes - treads capable of transforming.

Now, one interesting point raised in the last couple of Uprising episodes relates to programs, energy, and the outlands. The reveal about the true nature of Tron's limitation, that he needs constant energy to live. Dyson claims normal programs merely become tired if they don't consume raw energy (usually in liquid form, we would assume). Meaning that programs on the Grid must be assigned an energy budget by the system itself, for basic operation. They won't deresolve if they stop manually drinking energy.

This conflicts a touch with Legacy, where Quorra is left wandering in the outlands and her lightsuit is flickering as she runs out of power, saved by Flynn who gives her an emergency vial of energy drink.

The middle ground might be: programs, and vehicles, are designed to absorb energy in an ambient manner from Grid infrastructure, but rely on their own reserves when they go off Grid. So programs can wander into the wilderness all they like, but run the risk of starvation if they don't take supplies or find a source of liquid energy.

Anyway, one point of intense curiosity for myself, about The Stranger. Jut what WAS that pocket dimension that was "almost" off the Grid? It seems both Tron and then Cyrus repurposed it for their own uses. And it sure had a lot of power systems and apparently dangerous properties.

I'm about to say something that may make things a bit interesting. Or not. In Evolution, Quorra met Tron briefly (game version) and then went off. Now in Uprising, she teaches Paige how to defend herself.

Here's my question that I raise. WHO trained Quorra to fight in the first place? It can't be Flynn before he rescued her.

If Cyrus (The Stranger) is the first Renegade and Beck is the last, allegedly, do you suppose Quorra was supposed to be the next Tron (female version of him)?

Just a few thoughts tossed out.

Equipment & Transport:
Regarding the lightcycles from the games not being able to chase Quorra and Sam as they escaped into the outlands perhaps those cycles were designed specifically for the games. In the first movie we saw 3 certain characters breakout of the games and escape. By designing the cycles to work only in the coliseum (or at least in the city) any would be escapees would be easier to catch. Regular transportation would be a different story in certain cases.

Then again....even Tron has a different type of lightcycle in Uprising to better suit the snowy terrain of outlands. So while regular modes of transport may work...they may not work as well as others.

Energy:
To be fair, in Evolution Quorra had also been injured and was low on power. (Her rescuer actually did die of injuries.) She did say Flynn found her and saved her. As a "User" he would have had the ability to do so.

In Legacy she had injured from the battle in "End of Line" and her system placed in shock. The energy boost drink could have been just that - an energy boot shortly after her systems returned to full status. Somewhat like giving someone a drink of water when they have just woken up to refresh them.

Tron's Limitations:
When Dyson speaks to Tron regarding the raw energy bit remember Tron was purposely modified so that he scars would not even partially heal unless he continuously went into a healing chamber on a regular basis. And he definitely was being prevented from fully healing. If he did not do so, the scars would overcome him and he would die. Able himself eluded to this when he gave Tron something for his healing chamber "to bide (him) more time"

In some ways, it's a bit like if humans were purposely deprived of sleep. In sleep the body repairs itself of the previous days activities. Hence, when we get a good night's sleep we feel "refreshed". When we don't, we feel sluggish and achy as well as tired. There are reasons for that. Minuscule muscle tears are restored and some such, If one doesn't sleep it eventually affects their health and they will die. (There have been cases when this has happened.) We weren't made to go without sleep for specific reasons.

Tron is also a unique program as well. So who knows if what Dyson had done to him would have affected a program Flynn had created differently..

Excellent episode. I pray they will make and air a future episode that deals with what happened to Cyrus to make him turn totallay insane.

Did he try to upgrade himself and it went all wrong? Is he a glitch, and the other half of Beck??? and the "the Stranger" is the insane half of what once was a single Program?

Hopefully this is not the last we've seen of this new character.