Funny, because this is actually all stuff I've thought about.
|J Wrote:A lot of the Tron media has been centered on how similar the Programs are to (Western) humans. They have jobs, friends, personalities. They have crushes and love affairs, crack jokes, are scared to die. They have a religion based around worship of their human creators, with a priesthood and rituals based on that communion. |
Don't forget to look at religious differences as well. Many societal "rules" are based on the dominant religion of that society, at least in a historical context... how might a program's version of religion mean that accepted norms are different from those we know from a [choose your dominant religion of choice] standpoint?
|J Wrote:But what I'm asking the gallery is where they might be different. The biggest one was something 2.0 brought up that probably carries over to the films and Uprising. They don't have families and kinship ties as we know them. No mothers, fathers, siblings...The closest Ma3a was able to understand the term "father" was "earlier version."
Yes, exactly. Perhaps relationships are not as "toxic" without an automatic tie to feel guilt over...
|J Wrote:They likely can't reproduce, so what would that mean for gender designation or roles?
Not only do they not reproduce, but they don't eat (so no cooking), no laundry to do, etc. There would, in my opinion, be no gender roles. Nor would there be any reason for females to be seen as weaker, since a program's function will have nothing to do with how it looks. Whether you can do your job well is based on your coding, not your physicality. It would be interesting to see how programs respond to the concept of sexism in our world.
In addition, if appearance is arbitrary, there would be no need for racism and the like, either. Now, they may discriminate based on other criteria, but without programs of a certain color having a certain origin, that factor may not come into play.
|J Wrote:This could be a product of the time it was made in, but I noticed that the Programs seem to be very free about touching one another, at least in the first movie. Clasped hands, hands on shoulders and backs, carrying each other, lots of hugs. It would come as a big shock to the guys starting with Legacy and Uprising what a big teddy bear Tron could be outside of a battle. (Kingdom Hearts 2 exaggerates it, but not by much) This might tie back into the gender roles bit above being either purely aesthetic or representing something different on their side. In our culture, males get discouraged from showing physical affection to each other because they fear getting mistaken for gay or at least something "less than" male.
And, of course, without gender roles or reproduction or Judeo-Christian-type morality, there likely isn't much objection to bent gender and sexuality either. In fact, even in T:L
, I saw a couple background characters who seemed quite gender-ambiguous.
|J Wrote:I also figure that there is not the "who am I and why am I here" questioning that drives a lot of human thought and philosophy. They are created with a directive stating their purpose, and while they have a massive degree of freedom in carrying out that directive, they can't disobey or break that directive.
I always imagined a program in "the real world" would feel very lost, suddenly with no sense of what they should be. They probably feel users and Isos are very pathetic and sad indeed.
|J Wrote:And the fifty ton Reco in the room for anyone writing fanfic - how similar or different are their bodies/shells to human form? |
Frankly? I'd argue for quite similar indeed. But it's hard to say, especially with discrepancies between the two films. For example:
: The programs don't seem to be *wearing clothes* so much as the Grid suits seem to be a part of them. They may wear something over top-- Flynn and the other conscripts, Yori in the deleted love scene-- but the basic pattern never changes.
: The Sirens undress and redress Sam with little fanfare, so obviously they're used to it, and his strange, non-glowing clothing doesn't elicit much shock. Nor does the sight of his body. One tells another "he's different," but I always got the impression it was just a feeling she had; none of them seem to react to his actual appearance as I would think they might if it were different than they were used to seeing.
: In the scene where Dumont is having his power stripped, we get almost an x-ray view (much like the electrification scene of Young Frankenstein
). And he has a skeleton in there.
: Quorra's arm is off, and the edges just seem to be pixelated. There doesn't seem to be really any bones or flesh. Perhaps Disney simply didn't want anything gory, I don't know.
Then there is, of course, the fact that the costumes (esp. in T82
) leave very little to the imagination and it's certainly obvious the characters have breasts, crotch bulges, etc. But whether the directors actually meant this to be indicative of their bodies, or whether it was simply a feature of the actors' bodies that they couldn't eliminate, who knows?
Do programs have some form of currency? Do they even need it? I mean, if another program does something for you-- do they expect compensation, or is it just a feature of them performing their function? What about places where this is more ambiguous, such as the EOL Club-- do you pay for your drinks there? (It almost seems so, considering the reaction to Zustor's "libations for everybody!!!" line, but what would they use for currency? Surely a straight barter system works no better in there than it does out here.)
Also don't forget that they would have little concept of nature (trees, stars, animals), or even of illness/death the way humans would. There, you die, and you simply disappear. I always said that if Clu did get to the real world-- with all the crap he pulled, he would still be utterly shocked at all of the gory things that can happen to a human body and all of the heinous things human being do to each other and other creatures. On the Grid there are no headless bodies hanging from bridges, no bloody wounds*, no abuse of children or animals since these do not even exist there.
*I've always wondered what programs think of blood. Many humans can't stand the sight of it, and I've always figured it's because we have that deep knowledge that seeing blood = nothing good. In all of our lives, we've associated the sight of blood with pain, injury, something being very wrong. It's too much for some folks. Programs, on the other hand... if they saw someone bleed, would they be extra-freaked-out because it's something new and weird and unfamiliar, or would they be entirely calm because they don't have an instinctive "this means something bad" feeling about it?
I know I've thought of more, but I'm tired and not thinking clearly tonight, so I can't remember everything.