Have you ever had one of those thoughts about the films that might be worth discussion, but might not be worth its own thread?  I feel like that sometimes, and so I never bring it up.  So I thought maybe we could have a whole thread for such things (especially since these days, there's not as much to discuss, since we've hashed through all the big issues enough times).

I've got a few thoughts that have occurred to me about the films, or about the universe.

1. In T:L, we see Sam with his shirt off a couple times.  In his apartment, we see him from the back (http://movies.homeofthenutty.com/displayimage.php?album=140&pid=150922#top_display_media), and he's got bruises and abrasions from his 'chute while base-jumping off of Encom Tower, as Alan observes.  It occurred to me that I'd more expect bruises on the front, since he would be jerked backward by the 'chute snagging and the straps would dig in (imagine what it's like when you're wearing a backpack and your friend yanks on it from behind).  I'd also guess it would be possible that the opening of the 'chute might jerk enough to cause some minor contusions and abrasions.

Later, in the Armory scene, we see him shirtless from the front (http://movies.homeofthenutty.com/displayimage.php?album=140&pid=151246#top_display_media).  No injuries.  Again, these would be expected, right?  Two explanations: 1: when making the film, they simply forgot about that (or didn't want to bother with it) and thought we would too.  (After all, in the Games Sam sustains a shoulder wound bad enough for him to be easily dripping blood... yet that amount of bleeding also seems to stop almost immediately, and he doesn't even seem to have any tenderness for the rest of the film.  And no, I don't believe users would heal that fast, sorry.)  2: when rezzing in, you don't carry any temporary injuries with you (this could be a good discussion topic in and of itself, I guess.  I think we've touched on it here before, but I'm not recalling how in-depth we might've gone.


2. Do you suppose a program's filepath is like its address?  Not long ago, I was looking through some old posts and came across one I'd made wondering how realistic it was that all of the programs lived in just one city, rather than spreading out, as people do.  I just realized: it could be realistic, if a program's filepath is its address.  So, to translate it to us, your filepath might be:

Earth/California/SanFrancisco/1212PennyLane/Apt144/EleanorRigby

On a Windows computer, maybe the program city is named Program Files, and there is an apartment building called Microsoft Office, where Excel and Word and Access live.

If that's the case, then programs might well live all in one place, right?  I'm still not 100% sure this would have necessarily been the case on Flynn's system-- as a "recreational" system, it's possible that some programs might say, "we want to move" and he might create a new directory.  (Which would mean we need to ask: the Isos did just that.  Did he make a new city, or did they essentially create their own directory??)


3. I was thinking about music, too.  Say, a MIDI file.  Or the playback on your music notation software.  When you play one of these, is it like an orchestra of programs assembled, as if you've hired session musicians?  Some software allows you to download different instrument packages-- is that like firing one set of musicians and hiring another?  And what does it sound like from the inside?  If you rezzed in and listened to them, would they sound like electronic instruments, or on the inside do they sound like acoustic instruments,, and the output on the user end is just electronic sounding?

In these cases, I don't think a lot of technical knowledge is needed.  Especially since a lot of it is probably down to interpretation.

digit Wrote:How would you guys feel about them being called apps instead of programs?   I think "program" is a relatively obsolete term in this day and age. Greetings, apps!

An App is a program with a user interface. Very few programs could be called that. The only ones that come to mind are the MCP and the first CLU. Yes Tron received data from Alan via the I/O tower, but the interaction wasn't quite the same as the above 2 conversing with users on the outside.

Just some fan art I'm working on. A work-in-progress here.....

Kat Wrote: Traahn Wrote:Just some fan art I'm working on. A work-in-progress here..... Ooh, nice.  You should post it in the "artwork" forum.

Thank you   I considered that, but I didn't want to start a new topic for it.  Your thread seemed good for me... I don't like to start new threads. 

Kat wrote: Have you ever had one of those thoughts about the films... but might not be worth its own thread?

^-- This.  My 'thought about the film' is just in artistic form rather than words   Hope you don't mind.  I'm not trying to hijack your thread... just seemed like a nice place to put random stuff of whatever we wish. 

As for your original post, #2 is an interesting concept.  I guess in Tron Legacy, everything would just be dumped under one folder called "galapagos" ("C:\GALAPAGOS\_dump everything here at top level directory_"), hehe.

Kat Wrote: Traahn Wrote: ^-- This.  My 'thought about the film' is just in artistic form rather than words   Hope you don't mind.  I'm not trying to hijack your thread... just seemed like a nice place to put random stuff of whatever we wish.  Nope, that was precisely the idea!

As Sark would say, *Niiiice!*

Traahn Wrote:Just some fan art I'm working on. A work-in-progress here.....

Ok now that is very cool !

I keep having weird thoughts pop into my head (it happens sometimes... when you can't sleep, when you're out on a run, when parts of your job are mindless... you have nothing to do *but* think, and anything is fair game).

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So... the point of Tron's entire existence is to protect the system he's installed on. I would imagine that a program feels its purpose very deeply, and failure must be pretty gut-wrenching (imagine how you would feel if you were a police officer or firefighter and weren't able to protect/save someone you were trying to... now imagine how much worse it would be if that's not just your job, but the one thing you were created to do...).


So, what if Tron has to make a choice: he can save a user, but the system will be destroyed... or he can let the user get killed to save the system. Remember that his primary directive is probably “protect the system,” and so if he does nothing else ever, this one thing is what he must do.  But... it's a user. Does he go against everything he was coded to do to save a user, whose life (we would argue from the outside, at least) is way more important than a system crash?  Or does he follow his directive, even if it costs a life (but, a user life)?


(OTOH... what if it's a server that holds the kind of information that is life or death in itself, if lost? Then what does he do? We assume that anything that important would be backed up, so everything would probably be okay, but would he know that?)


(In later versions of Tron, maybe he might be upgraded {either by Flynn, or by Alan once Alan finds out about the world inside the computer} to protect users, since users are expected to rez in, but the original Tron? Wasn't created with “users in the system” in mind.)