DJ Aussie E. Wrote:I have an intel video card, and TRON 2.0 tells me I can't play beacuse of "Hardware T&L"!!!! I really need a new gaming rig.

BVI, see this problem is much more common than you think. Get rid of the d@mn hardware T & L requirement. Make the check only a warning and allow users to test the game for themselves.

DJ Aussie E., yes your Intel integrated video is not as good as a separate 3D graphics card. However, if your CPU is fairly fast, you should still be able to run the game at least at lower resolution and quality. Download and install a program called 3DAnalyzer from http://www.tommti-systems.com/main-Dateien/TOOLS/dontlinkthefile_3danalyzer-v22.exe, and you should be able to run the game using it. It will allow you to play the game although setting it up to do so is not that easy.

Intel??? OMG. You aren't seriously suggesting that you be able to play one of the most demanding game engines of 2003 on an integrated chipset are you?

Now, that's just WRONG!

Next thing, you'll be wanting Windows XP Pro to run on your Pentium 100MHz with 32MB of RAM.

Quite apart from the fact that ALL integrated graphics blow goats, you chose the slowest of all integrated graphics to use. *sigh*

Look, a crappy old Ti4200 costs chump-change, and will beat the living puss out of ANY and EVERY integrated chipset. So, instead of living with a solution that wouldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding, and complaining that your crappy "Intel Extreme(ly slow!) Graphics" won't play the game - go out and spend the same amount of money as you would on a new pair of pants, and buy a new GFx card.

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M0b1u5 Wrote:Intel??? OMG. You aren't seriously suggesting that you be able to play one of the most demanding game engines of 2003 on an integrated chipset are you?

Not only am I suggesting it, but I have successfully done it. Tron is playable on integrated Intel graphics if the CPU is pretty fast, e.g. 2GHz or better.

Look, a crappy old Ti4200 costs chump-change,

Not a brand new card from a legitimate vendor or retailer unless you call >$100 "chump change."

go out and spend the same amount of money as you would on a new pair of pants

I wouldn't pay >$100 for a pair of pants. I've bought good suits for less than that.

Yes, a dedicated graphics card will beat almost any integrated graphics, but the issue here is money. Some people just don't have the extra money to spend, and 3DAnalyzer WILL do the job for most of them.
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But if they'd only read the system requirements on the box and did their homework, there wouldn't be a problem would there . . .

You ask too much of the average PC user to understand what hardware T & L is or to even recognize whether their graphics hardware supports it. Until they receive the error message from the game, there isn't an easy and clear way for non-technical users to know whether or not their video hardware has T & L support.

To broaden the appeal and therefore sales of PC games, the games must become easier to buy and use. And that means games must be smarter at configuring themselves to the user's hardware and be more flexible in the support of that hardware. It also means that publishers must have more liberal return policies when a game will not work for a customer.

The fact is that Tron 2.0 will actually run on video hardware which doesn't have hardware T & L. So, 3DAnalyzer should not be required to enable that. Sure Tron runs better on better graphics hardware, but in this case it should be up to the consumer to decide whether his PC's performance is sufficient for the game, not the game's publisher or developer.

DaveTRON Wrote:Games that don't offer more graphially are usually lower rated and considered inferior by gaming magazines and by extension the fan base, and it pushes game companies to go for the higher end on titles like this.

You can have it both ways. Take Tron 2.0. It WILL run on lesser video hardware than advertised without sacrificing the experience for those with better graphics cards. Users should not have to resort to 3rd-party utilities to play the game though.

I have played and worked on too many games that didn't sell because they were built to support a wider audience in hardware and got slagged for it in reviews first and then on fan discussion boards.

First, the majority of game consumers don't base their purchase decisions on product reviews just like the majority of movie goers don't pay attention to or heed movie reviews. Most people buy on impulse, brand name, and popularity. That is why top rated games often are poor sellers, and why absolute rubbish sequels and games based on popular properties still sell well. The game "Enter The Matrix" is a perfect example of that. That game sold over 6 million copies, and by all reviews is utter crap.

The continued popularity of games like Half-Life and the relative failure of a game like UT2003 prove that supporting legacy hardware is not the problem and that only supporting the latest hardware can be. Half-Life continues to not only be played by a huge community of gamers but also still sell respectably in the marketplace despite being based on relatively ancient PC technology. On the other hand, one of the reasons many UT and UT2003 fans cite as the reason why UT2003 is not as popular as it should have been and why UT is still quite popular online (and more popular than UT2003 when bots are removed from the player count) is that UT2003 has much steeper hardware requirements to run the game well than UT.

I personally think it ultimately comes down to price. Many people can't afford to spend $100 or more to upgrade their graphics hardware (assuming it can even be upgraded) after spending $50 on a game. If a game were $10 or less, there would certainly be alot less complaining about hardware requirements. There would also be alot less complaining about it overall since expectations would be much lower.order abortion pill morning after pill price where to buy abortion pill

Riley I dont really agree either

Good arguments, but consider what your actually arguing about. Of coarse it will run on lower specs....minimum specs are set so that the game runs smoothly and stable. T&L is a great set of instructions that really do help the game. Eventuall all vid cards will have T&L, heck most newer integrated cards have it now. Transtion is never easy, but their is no point in being a burden of progress. A good game scales, but it isint fair to the devs to have it cover 5-or even 20% of the market that isint running T&L. T&L is a much easier method of design, and I love the eye candy it produces. The software emulation does work, but its slow and not at all preferable. Also, it creates many potienal hangups within the software. Possible instabilities, things of that nature. The goal of most devs is to make the best possible game, that most people will find accessible. Sacrifces have to be made, T&L is just one example. Yes a $100 vid card will more then do the job. But its like most tech or any hobbie for that fact. Newer equipment is contiunaly introduced when something is truely better (safer, cheaper, more efficent) the ruling organizations make it manditory. I dont have a problem with adapting, but I love this stuff, I skip meals, work lots of overtime....all beacuse im an enthusist who love to have good equipment. Most people can affoard a $100 vid card...with some planning...Tron 2.0 dosent say require a $300 vid card...that would be a little more difficult. Infact...as an entusiast i would be more inclined to seem them push my hardware...bring on the eye candy! Thank you for that link Riley its helped several people out.where to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill onlineabortion pills online http://www.kvicksundscupen.se/template/default.aspx?abortion-questions cytotec abortion

What about an amd Nforce2 mobo, they do T&L. I know its an intel thread, but still. Also, how can you consider a $700 pc a gaming pc? Yes its a decent section of the market....but these mechines are not and never will be designed to game with. Are they capable.....possibly. But again minuimum specs are an approximate figure on the slowest system that will still run with stability. Its unfair to expect a game company to design a game that will run with decent potienal on such a slow system. Especially cruel for the enthusists; by asking the devs to 'water the game down', you never let their hardware strut their stuff. The game is capable of running on lesser systems but stability cannot be garenteed. As it can be with a more profficent system. Most gamers have gaming systems, sell to the majority, thats how you get the most sales. Other wise you end up with a medicore product that no one really likes.