Okay so I didn't want to see Gladiator only set in a the Tron universe, but think what Russel Crow did as a gladiator in, well, Gladiator: He was a mere gladiator, a slave, yet he ruled the school by way of winning in the arena. Control the Crowd and you control Rome.

So let's say Sam somehow uses his skill in the arenas to turn the programs of Trin universe against CLU. How could that have maybe happened?

And FWIW, Sam doesn't really do all that well in the games, does he? He derezzes enough programs alright, but then he either looses the game or gets bailed out by Quorra. That means that iof you had put money on him, you'd be walkinga way light from that bet.

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Well... it was. They do bring out Rinz when Clu can't get the job done and gets flustered when something unexpected happens (which again sort of makes you wonder-- if Rinzler's obviously the dude who can beat people even Clu can't, how does Clu kick his ass so easily, repeatedly, throughout the entire film [and for that matter, so do a guy who's never fought with a disc before that day and a girl tied up on the ground]? I mean... badass FAIL right there).

Of course, we're not sure what plans Clu had for Sam, if he meant to kill him or just capture him (Rinz may've had his instructions), but he definitely didn't mean for Sam to WIN.order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pill

laphtiya Wrote:I still believe it was permissions, I don't think Tron/Rinz can kill Clu, he is the system admin after all. He is probably protected by Flynn so other programs cannot harm him, this would make sense giving what we see of Rinzler's fighting abilities and how Clu seems to be that of an average man who has only probably ever gotten into bar fights.

That would be the explanation I'd be most comfortable with (and perhaps the same for Tron), but even if he couldn't kill Clu, you would think he'd be able to defeat him in a fight with one hand tied behind his back. I mean, Clu does it *easily*-- in the betrayal scene-- sure Tron knocks him down, but it's because he had the element of surprise... Tron punches Clu in the face a couple times and then Clu just gets up, grabs Tron (of course, the fact that he's tiny!Tron doesn't help), throws him on the ground, and Tron's out for the count just like that (hell yeah I'm never gonna stop being pissed about that, people. Deal with it). (The second time I'll forgive a little bit because they're falling through the air, and Tron's just gone through what I assume is some seriously draining shit, throwing off the rectification and all, but not the part where S and Q kick his ass.)order abortion pill morning after pill price where to buy abortion pill

laphtiya Wrote:But did that knock Clu gave Tron do more than we saw? Falling through the sky I think Tron would have had been seriously disorientated which would explain that scene.

Right, that's what I mean. Tron's obviously unconscious at first from the midair collision, then you see him come to and flip around so he's oriented in a downward-facing fashion and pull his spare baton. But, he's just been knocked out (and I can tell you from experience that that is disorienting), he's probably just done something mentally and possibly physically difficult (overcoming rectification), he's probably concentrating on how to land in the Sea with the least damage. Etc. IOW-- he has reason to be distracted. Clu obviously gets better leverage once he grabs the baton, and has himself so he can kick Tron right in the head, which he does several times. I'll excuse him winning that time. It's the other time! (Of course, you all know I'm really really a wee bit biased, so I get rather sore when mah Tron isn't completely kickass...)

laphtiya Wrote:I know what you mean, the first time we see him get beaten up it could be because of a few things. This is how I see it: 1) He was more concerned with making sure Fynn escaped. 2) He obviously doesn't want to kill Clu 3) Perhaps system permissions/safety does not allow for Clu to be deleted by anyone other than a user. 4) Tron is an early 80s program possibly upgraded by Flynn but we do not know this for sure as Flynn says he brought him from the old system so perhaps Clu is simply too advanced for Tron to handle hence the over powering. 5) We are seeing a representation of what goes on in a computer system, that knock Tron received might have done a lot more than we visually see. Perhaps almost the equivalent of ctrl+alt+del 'end task' The later scene I agree with your summery he had just had his brain unscrambled he probably didn't feel too good after all that. Also in Kendo when someone hits me on the head a little bit too hard with a shinai I don't feel too cleaver myself never mind several kicks to the head.

I had figured that the first time, he'd be all the more difficult to defeat because he'd be extra-pissed off-- somebody's trying to hurt his friend, somebody's trying to hurt a user, somebody's being a traitor, etc. I would think that would add to the determination.

#4-- wouldn't all the programs on the system be unable to defeat him, then? Not real great for a security program; it'd be like putting Paul Blart on SWAT. (and in T:B, it seems to portray that he can still kick some serious ass.) Also wouldn't explain why later, he's brought out to defeat opponents even Clu can't take care of. (Yeah, biased. So what? )

Nah, I'm inclined to think Disney just took the easy way out and didn't want to make any of the fight scenes too long or complicated (I mean, after all, what highly-trained fighter, who is holding two at-least-somewhat-long-range weapons [with which he is quite skilled] in his hands and probably has more weapons at his disposal [not to mention, at the very least, martial-arts skills], chooses to instead heatedly run down and tackle a guy and punch him in the face a couple times like a pissed-off 12-year-old getting into a playground fight? Is this Tron or The Goonies? Is Tron seriously so ill-trained that he looses his cool and forgets *everything* he knows about fighting and goes for something like a B-movie barroom brawl? Does the guy have ANY in-character fight in this film besides the disc games?). Though it would be interesting to see if we get our answer later-- after all, all we get is Flynn's POV, and it's a sudden cut to the scene where Clu throws him down and goes in for the kill, so maybe there's some advanced weapon he has that we don't know about that overpowered Tron, and we don't see that part because Flynn didn't.