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Rose_Barthos
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Question about system requirements.

on Thursday, September, 04, 2003 9:23 PM
Hi, I'm new to the site and was wondering what the basic requirement are for the game. I'm getting a new PC soon (my old one is kinda lacking in quality) and wonder if the PC I'm getting will play the game alright.


 
GreenDudeUSA
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Re: Question about system requirements.

on Thursday, September, 04, 2003 9:37 PM
I'm new to the site as well (great site by the way)

Heres the info you want.

MINIMUM SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:

Windows® 98/Me/2000/XP
Intel Pentium™ III or AMD Athlon™ 500Mhz
256MB RAM
32MB Direct3D-compatible video card with Hardware T&L, 32-bit color, DirectX™ 9-compatible driver (e.g., NVIDIA GeForce 2 class)
2.4GB free Hard Drive Space
Additional hard drive space for Windows swap file and saved game files.
8X CD-ROM
16-bit DirectX™ 9-compatible sound card
56k modem, DSL, Cable Modem or LAN for Multi-play
100 BaseT LAN connection for Light Cycle Multi-play
DirectX™ 9 (included)
Java-compatible Web Browser (e.g. Internet Explorer 5.0 or Netscape Navigator 4.7 or later)

and....


RECOMMENDED SYSTEM

Windows® 98/Me/2000/XP
Intel Pentium™ 4 or AMD Athlon™ 1Ghz
512MB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce FX video card
2.4GB free Hard Drive Space
Additional hard drive space for a Windows swap file and saved game files.
32X CD ROM
Sound Blaster® Audigy 2 sound card
DSL, Cable Modem or LAN for Multi-play
DirectX™ 9 (included)

SUPPORTED VIDEO CHIPSETS

NVIDIA GeForce FX, NVIDIA GeForce 4; NVIDIA GeForce 3; NVIDIA GeForce 2; ATI Radeon 9700; ATI Radeon 9000; ATI Radeon 8500; ATI Radeon 7500; ATI Radeon 7200; Matrox Parhelia chipset; Matrox Millennium P750


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Stevedroid
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Re: Question about system requirements.

on Thursday, September, 04, 2003 9:38 PM
Edit: oops beaten to it.

You don't really need a GeForce FX for the recommended, that's just a bit of nVidia marketing. However, you should have any card that has pixel shaders (anything above a GF 3 except the GF 4 Mx's or anything above a Radeon 9000); without pixel shaders you don't get the glow effect.where to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill onlineabortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion

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Re: Question about system requirements.

on Thursday, September, 04, 2003 10:05 PM
That sounds right from what I have seen on the box as well for the game.


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Re: Question about system requirements.

on Thursday, September, 04, 2003 11:34 PM
(anything above a GF 3 except the GF 4 Mx's or anything above a Radeon 9000); without pixel shaders you don't get the glow effect.
? I have a gf4mx 440. no problem with the glow effect.
Maybe I am missunderstanding you


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Rose_Barthos
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Re: Question about system requirements.

on Friday, September, 05, 2003 12:47 AM
Hey thanks guys! I'm hoping I get that new PC for X-mas (I don't have enough to get one) there is so many games I want to play but my computer can't handle. Besides I went to a guy and he said it would be cheaper and easier to buy a new one than upgrade mine. This site is so cool and the forums rock!

Oh, and Compucore your avatar is fantastic where did you get it?




 



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Re: Question about system requirements.

on Friday, September, 05, 2003 12:54 AM
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WMain00 Productions
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Re: Question about system requirements.

on Friday, September, 05, 2003 3:05 AM
I have an Nvidia Geforce 2MX 400, and i still get the glowing effect, however i didn't quite realise that my graphics card comes with pixel shaders. Or does it, hmmmmm.

The game (demos) definitely glow when playing it at night, so i think i do have it.

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Stevedroid
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Re: Question about system requirements.

on Friday, September, 05, 2003 4:52 PM
Are you sure you're getting the glow effect? I'm pretty sure you need pixel shaders and the GF4mx (any version) do not have pixel shaders.

The game's graphics are done well enough that they look like they're 'glowing' even when you don't really have the glow effect. Plus, if you haven't actually ever seen the glow effect in real life, it's pretty easy to mistake thinking that you have it. The easiest why to find out is to go into the graphics options within the game and turn the glow effect on and off (you can do this while you're in a level, no need to restart or anything). If you don't notice any change then you're not getting the glow effect. Plus the option may not even appear in the menu if your card doesn't have that capability.

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Nerotrobe
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Re: Question about system requirements.

on Saturday, September, 06, 2003 1:18 PM
I'm pretty sure all you need is a GeForce2 or better to see the glow effect.


 
Stevedroid
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Re: Question about system requirements.

on Saturday, September, 06, 2003 2:53 PM
During the test I think we had some people with GF2/GF4mx that thought they had the glow effect, just because the graphics still look very good without it. However a few upgraded to GF4Ti/FX or Radeon 9000+ and then they actually got the glow effect and were basically blown away.

I could be wrong, but like I said, I'm almost certain the glow is a pixel shader effect and I know for a fact that GF2/GF4mx do NOT have pixel shaders.

You know what, gimmie a day and I'll post up some screenshots, one set with the glow effect, another without. Then it will be easier to decide if you're actually getting the glow effect.

PS. I'm not extending the topic just to prove I'm right (as I said I could certainly be wrong). However, I do think it's important that we find the answer since it could sway someone's decision on the purchase of a video card. Plus I'm just curious.where to buy abortion pill abortion types buy abortion pill online

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kmon
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Re: Question about system requirements.

on Saturday, September, 06, 2003 3:01 PM
Well, with my really old school tnt2 ultra the glow effect dosent work. Thats a DX7 card, same as the geforce 2...i think, correct me if im wrong.order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pillwhere to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill online


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Re: Question about system requirements.

on Saturday, September, 06, 2003 3:09 PM


You know it's funny, I also thought the GeForce 4 MX only supported DirectX 7 (i.e. no pixel shaders).

But according to this PDF on nVidia's site, it supports DirectX 8.1. I was very surprised to read this.



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Stevedroid
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Re: Question about system requirements.

on Saturday, September, 06, 2003 3:15 PM
I think the wording there just means it's compatible with DX8, not that it's a full DX8 component. E.g. DX8 does fully support the card in that it works with the card no problem, but that doesn't mean all the features of DX8 are implemented by the card.

If you compare the Mx info sheet to the Ti info sheet, you'll notice the Ti sheet has a specfic section refering to the vertex and pixel shaders while it is noticably absent from the Mx sheet.

The GF4mx series cards DO NOT HAVE PIXEL SHADERS, of this I am certain. What is unclear is whether the glow effect is done through pixel shaders, or other means.order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pillabortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion

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Re: Question about system requirements.

on Saturday, September, 06, 2003 3:21 PM


Stevedroid Wrote:I think the wording there just means it's compatible with DX8, not that it's a full DX8 component.

The GF4mx series cards DO NOT HAVE PIXEL SHADERS, of this I am certain.
I agree, I've always been certain the GF4MX was a crippled GF4 card, with a slower clock speed and removed features.

The wording in that document is very misleading, then. Tsk tsk nVidia!



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Stevedroid
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Re: Question about system requirements.

on Saturday, September, 06, 2003 11:12 PM
Ok, as promised I've uploaded some pics that compare screens with the glow effect and without the glow effect. The pics are 1024x768 and each has a side by side comparison of a glow enabled scene with a glow disabled scene. The pics are fairly large in file size because I used very little compression even though they're JPGs - I didn't want them to be all blurry. The shots are only from the first level in the intention of not spoiling anything.

First of all the glow effect can be toggled from the menu through the following option:

Options -> Performance -> Display -> Toggle Screen Glow

The glow effect is acutally utilized on the menu screen, so you'll notice an immediate change when you toggle it on or off. If you notice no change, or the above option isn't present you don't have the glow effect.

This screenshot demonstrates the glow effect in the menu. The glow is enabled on the bottom screen. Notice the transparent halo around the menu bar. Also note that the glow enabled screen looks much brighter, but the brightness setting for each screen is the exact same. The difference in lighting is an effect of the glow.

This screenshot shows the glow effect on ROMie (very noticable at his head). Also notice of the glow on the corrupted section to the left. In addition the difference of the player's disc between each screen is a dead give away of the glow. The glow enabled screen is on the right of course.

This screenshot displays a general scene in the first level. The glow enabled screen is on the right. Take not of the general green aura surrounding the corrupted area. Also notice the halos around the 'lights'.

EDIT: Needed website space, the links are now dead.

Now that you have a point of reference (and a menu option to tell pretty easily if you're getting the glow effect) I'd really appreciate if you GF2/GF4mx owners could confirm whether or not you're actually getting the glow.where to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill online

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Re: Question about system requirements.

on Sunday, September, 07, 2003 1:19 AM


Noticed the third link points to the same picture as the second . . .

Here's Stevedroid's third picture.

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WMain00 Productions
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Re: Question about system requirements.

on Sunday, September, 07, 2003 11:42 AM
Yep, i definitely have the glow effect then, so obviously my graphics card is supporting the pixel shaders. In all cases my screen looks like the pictures that were glowing.

Yay.

EDIT- Just checked the preferences area. All settings are at high and glow effect is on, along with anyone else. Sooooo i would say Monolith have done a pretty good job at making sure everyone has a nice glowing tron.where to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill online

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kmon
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Re: Question about system requirements.

on Sunday, September, 07, 2003 12:07 PM
From sharky extreme 'All the NVIDIA GeForce2 cards have a feature called the NVIDIA Shading Rasterizer (NSR), which is essentially a programmable pixel shader'

The link is here http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/articles/value_3dcard_roundup_10-00/2.shtml

Hope that clears up some of the confusion.


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Stevedroid
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Re: Question about system requirements.

on Sunday, September, 07, 2003 12:39 PM
Well, I stand corrected then. Thought for sure you needed standardized pixel shaders (1.0 or 1.1) to get the glow, but like I said I wasn't totally sure.

I actually did know about the NSR. It is a pixel shader, but not in the standard format that evolved through the GeForce 3 (and become known as pixel shaders 1.0 through 1.2 - the Radeon later added 1.3 and 1.4). nVidia never developed a langauge for the NSR and it wasn't supported by Direct X so to use the shaders a programmer had to write to the card directly in assembly (which was actually how you had to handle all pixel shaders before high level shader support was placed into DX8 and DX9) and it is no easy task to integrate into the rest of the graphics engine which is written in a high level language (C++). To the best of my knowledge there has never been a game that used the NSR other than Giants: Citizen Kabuto. I think at one point Morrowind was going to use it (on characters and everything), but they scrapped that after they releazed the GF2 would be dead by the time the game was released. They ultimated ended up using the standardized pixel shaders, and just on the water.

So I guess either:
1) because of nVidia's help Monolith was able to make the glow effect for both standardized pixel shaders (GF3, GF4Ti, Radeon 9000 and above) and for nVidia's archaic NSR cards (GF2/GF4mx)

2) The glow effect doesn't use pixel shaders, and is accomplished through other means which require only a basic T&L enabled card.

PS. Thanks for link fix redrain85, I've since edited the post so the link is correct.

Edit: Ok I was researching this a little bit more and dug up an old GamesDomain interview with Cliff where he is quoted as saying "Right now, you need a Geforce3 or equivalent to see it, although Nvidia and Monolith are hard at work trying to get it to work on all Geforce cards." It looks like they were successful. So I guess it is a pixel shader effect, but nVidia eventually got it to work with the less complex NSR hardware. I bet there's a separate render path for standard pixel shader cards and those with NSR. Of course this now begs the question: does the glow effect look the same on GF2/GF4mx as it does on true pixel shader cards? order abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pillwhere to buy abortion pill abortion types buy abortion pill online

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