*waves her hand*

Now you are being so silly. Walter ALREADY knew about the digitalization technology. He was working on it with Lora. What's the point?

British accent is one thing... Har har, MCP could have downloaded one too many british humor movies.

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KiaPurity Wrote:*waves her hand* Now you are being so silly. Walter ALREADY knew about the digitalization technology. He was working on it with Lora. What's the point?

Yes, I know I'm being silly. That *is* the point.

Obviously it's not Walter, but it was fun to run with that idea for a while.

Besides, just because he was working with Lora on the digitizing technology, doesn't mean he could've perfected it. It took the MCP and Ma3a to do that. Which would explain why fCon would still want to infiltrate Encom, if he was in charge.

Anyhoo . . . I still vote for the MCP. After he downloaded a new voice filter for himself, that is.

Horseflesh Wrote: Why? WHY?! Because he wants to be digitized himself and live as a program instead of a crusty old man and take over the planet from inside the computer world! Just look at the scene in the original movie when Walter speaks to Dillenger. If you watch in super slow motion you can see Walter pull a gun and nearly shoot Dillenger at point blank range in the noggin but then quickly shakes his head as if he changed his mind and puts it away quickly. Later in the scene throwing knives can be seen wizzing past Dillenger's head neck and chest. Am I the only person who's seen the deleted scene of Walter and the horrible HORRIBLE things he did to that orange after Alan and Lora left the laser bay? The man was PURE 100% uncut evil!

*laughs so hard he falls outta his chair*

Oh yeah, I nearly forgot that scene! Ha ha ha!

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FusionAddict Wrote:Why I think it actually IS Dillinger: 1) "I haven't waited 20 years to let this company slip through my hands again." -- The MCP was interested in the ENTIRE PLANET, not one company. Dillinger, on the other hand, was a moneygrubber.

In the game it is explained that the Datawraiths are there to hack computers world-wide.

2) How could he start fCon? Dillinger may not have been as bright as Flynn, but he was "very, very sneaky." It's not unfathomable that a man with his knowledge of computer systems could have taken bits of his, by all accounts, substantial paycheck and hoarded it away in a Swiss Bank Account.

The same could be said for the MCP.

3) It says that Dillinger is still at large. It's probable that he skipped town, took up an assumed name, and quietly invested funds in a little startup company that could, namely fCon. As it made money, it swallowed smaller companies, then used those resources to acquire larger ones, and larger, all the way up to ENCOM. sound like any companies in real life? I'll give you a hint...starts with "M", and ends with "icrosoft".

I disagree. I think that Dillinger is still on the run and not able to effectively start up a new company.

4) The voice behind the camera sounded distictly human. The MCP did not. This could be chalked up to better voice synthesization, but I doubt it.

Why? Do we not have human-like voice synth these days? Even if not, the MCP had voice in 82, which no other AI had (there wasn't even AI!). I can easily accept that the MCP has better voice software.

5) If fCon's CEO was the MCP, why would A) it need status updates from the fCon team when it could simply interface with the computer network, and B) why would it need Ma3a's correction algorithms when the MCP had them as part of its system already?

It's a control issue. Why would the MCP need Sark to run operations on the Game Grid? And the MCP could have very easily lost the algorithms after he was disconnected from the system. Like I said earlier, it's in the MCPs nature to appropriate programs, not re-learn anything. It would totally be in cahracter for the MCP to calculate that it would be easier to appropriate Ma3a rather than try to re-create the algorithms himself.

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calthaer Wrote:There's no way it's the MCP. 1) Why would the MCP wait 20 years to rear its ugly head again? If it had survived Tron, I'm sure it could have gone out there to another mainframe and "rebuilt" itself within a few years and regained its power (or surpassed it) with nobody the wiser.

How do we know this is the first time? I have not played the game yet, but who sez the MCP has not made other attemps in the last 20 years? This is just the only attempt we have been able to see.


Sounds like fodder for a prequel* (or fan fiction) to me



*-to , not of course

I still hold to my theory about the MCP being the CEO of fCom. See my posts above.

And Dave, that's something I had not considered.

Okay, my 2 cents on this (This is a pretty lengthy thread already so I'm sure I'm going to miss TONS of points made on why it's A over B.

Personally, I think it's Dillinger. I can't see it being the MCP.

One thing everyone needs to remember is the technology and environment computers and such had in the early 80's.

I bring that up because of the thread of "Dillinger's on the run and is probably still in hiding":

I honestly don't think ol Eddie's on the lamb (Yea, I know the hint book mentions this but I haven't read that so I don't know what was exactly said) because of a few observations:

Who owns the rights to the games? As much as I hate to accept it - it was NEVER Flynn's to begin with. Why? He used company hardware for privite use. Even back then (especially for programmers) you signed a "You wrote it, we own it" clause in any contract. Flynn had no intention to show it to the Encom big-wigs as he mentioned in the movie he set up a private memory file with the intent of starting his "own little enterprise" meaning once the games were finished - it's adios Encom, hello Fynn-com

So, the MOST Dillinger could be accused of would be passing programs off as his own.

Now unless there was some internal auditing showing how the MCP broke into other systems and 'appropriated' information and programs - that's another story, but with the MCP destroyed we don't know how much info the auditors can find, and data recovery for 82 wasn't that great (if it existed at all).

As for there being multiple MCP copies throughout the system...I don't buy that either. Using today's technology as an example, so every server you hit with your web browser...you leave a copy of your OS on that machine? No. Most companies back then had one mainframe with one OS running it, not like today's multi-networks. Besides, with the MCP's ego do you really think he'd accept ANOTHER one of him running around also? I don't think he'd want to share the information.

Could be the MCP from a backup? Honestly, I don't know what backup technologies were like back then so I couldn't answer this one. If he was from a backup, how old was the backup? Even if the restore was 24 hours younger, it'd have no recollection of his former self sending Flynn into the digital world as the whole thing happened in one night.

And I doubt they'd want to bring an older copy back online as it was pretty evident NO ONE liked the MCP running the system (Except Dillinger of course)

My guess would be Walter took over in the immediate days following, said "Screw the MCP" and went with a flavor of UNIX or COBAL or whatever they used back then.

Another point people make. The movie line "Not very young, not very bright but very, very sneaky." NOT EVERYTHING IS LITERAL! Think about it. Dillinger was the reason Flynn wasn't where he was supposed to be. Of course Flynn's going to say some bad things about him whether it's true ot not. Personally, for a guy who could write an OS with near-independent thought and an almost life-like will of it's own...I'd like to see someone else, even today, be able to do that.

"Dillinger couldn't start a company because he wasn't too bright to program and would usually only steal code and ideas from others"...Hello? Bill Gates? Microsoft? Multi-BILLION dollar company? That company was founded on stolen (borrowed ) ideas.

Plus, why wouldn't Dillinger want some revenge on Encom? He was hitting the high-life. Probably thinking of retireing in another 5-10 years. Then suddenly the board cans him because he didn't actually do what he said he did (The arcade games) Yea, Flynn was the cause of his being fired but I'm sure he's looking at the compnay as a whole with deep resentment. 20 years to start a company. Probably took that long because the crash in the 90's set him back some to get into a position for a hostile takeover. Who knows.

Does this mean I'm right? You betcha Seriously, who know

Flynn stated that Dillinger wasnt as smart as he was. That doesnt mean Dillinger was an idiot.

Dillinger stated to the MCP "It's my fault, I programmed you to want to much"

That tells me that he either created the MCP or was one of its main programmers. Plus going be the rule that programs look like their users, then he must have written Sark to be some type of enforcer for the MCP.

What Dillinger lacks in comparison to Flynn besides morals is imagination. Flynn can easily create games, etc. Dillinger doesnt have the imagination that Flynn does.