Here's what I think:

Sark was never truely evil. The whole reasoning behind this hangs on several actions he does when Flynn was rezzed in the system.

The first being the most important is Sark's comment to the MCP about Flynn and the Users. Seing as the MCP has no actual "spiritual" belief in the Users like the other programs from the "blue side," he forces his beliefs on to his followers. This would include Sark who still holds a form of belief in the Users making him very reluctant to harm Flynn. However, he is forced to do so by the MCP punishing him for Sark's comment. According to certain developmental theories, reward and punishment re-inforces certain behaviors. So the MCP re-inforcing certain anti-Users actions via punishment/reward can gurantee that these "guides" set out by the MCP can be followed.

After that event, Sark had plenty of opportunities to "derez" Flynn. One such example was when Flynn was in the ring games with Chrom. Sark had the opportunity to derez Flynn right then and there by shutting off Flynn's platform thus derezzing Flynn. Because of Sark's belief in the Users and his full knowledge that Flynn is a User, Sark is reluctant and "saves" Flynn. This shows that when the MCP is NOT directly present, Sark will act on his own sometimes according to his values and beliefs which includes the Users belief. Prior to putting Flynn in the ring game, Sark himself could have gone in to one of the games with Flynn and derezzed him that way since it is apparent at the begining of the movie that Sark also participated in the games and is arrogant and overconfident about his skills. But again, because of his beliefs, he didn't do that.

Another event that suggests Sark's User beliefs was when he left Flynn on his carrier when it was derezzing. There were a numerous amount of opportunties when he could have derezzed Flynn. Sark definately had the means of doing that to Flynn in person but again, never did. Instead, he derezzed his carrier with Flynn on board. The reason to this (based on the nature of Sark's psychological state that was metioned in the paragraphs prior) is that he never wanted to see Flynn derezzed because deep inside Sark, he knows very well that this is very wrong. Since he could not face the MCP without having Flynn gone, Sark, as it would seem, fled with the "prisoners" to avoid having to see this. In otherwords, he was acting out of guilt.

Then comes to the final scenes when Sark was talking to Tron in the disk-fight. Sark mentions to Tron about joining the MCP to become much more powerful. This suggests Sark's motive for joining the MCP. Prior to Sark joining the MCP, Sark felt that he wasn't nearly as powerful as he wanted and went seeking it which brought himto the MCP who probably promised Sark power in exchange for his services. This situation seems to be quite similar to the situation presented to Haku in Spirited Away. In that movie, Haku (like Sark) quested for power which brought him to the nasty owner of the Inn and eventually, in her power.

So it would so seem that Sark couldn't totally act as an individual with the MCP around. When the MCP wasn't present, Sark could somewhat act on his own, but to an extent. So in otherwords, Sark was trapped by the MCP. While he liked the idea of power, he was scared of the MCP and of course punishment.

Because of this, it can be said and summed up that Sark indeed does have a good side to him but also a very dominant bad side. This suggests a yin-yang prinicpal where, yes, there's Sark's ever-dominant potential for evil as well as a little bit of potential for good.

Because off all that was said here, this makes Sark a very interesting character to me (Which explains why he pops up in my art a lot) but this leads me to my final question for the moment: If there was no MCP, how would Sark act if he were completely alone?

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Vortex.EXE Wrote:...correct me if I am wrong, I don't claim to be a Tron guru, but, in the ring game, Sark, being ticked at Flynn, went to push the button, but stopped because he remembered that the MCP said, "I want him in the game until he dies playing." I acknowledge the fact that he is arrogant, and a little afraid of the users, but I don't think he spared Flynn out of his own pity, but out of fear of the MCP. ...just a thought...

He was "ticked" you're right, but could also very well say that Flynn was in the games and he did die playing... because technically he was in the game and by pressing that button, Flynn would have died in the game. So Flynn would have died in the game. In otherwords, Flynn would have died playing. Sark definately had the opportunity but never took it. This brings us back to Sark's origional comment about Users being his creators. Sark has a lot of difficulty killing his own creators (using the word creators and users as general terms. I'm not defining any one user/creator because Sark never did and he used that term very generally) and it would seem to be one of his fatal flaws. So he does have a conicence which it would seem comes back to haunt him because as you well know, if it weren't for Flynn leaping in to the MCP cone, Tron would have never gotten his chance and if Sark did derez Flynn, Tron would not be successful.

~Kamui.EXE
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Kamui and Vortex both have good points.

And I see Sark's behaviour to be torn between the two in both cases.

Torn between his fear/reverence of the Users, his anger at having been ordered to deal with a User by the MCP, and his fear that he may not be able to beat a user fairly on the game grid opposed to his fear /anger towards being punished by the MCP. All possibilities. All thought provoking.

I like your reference to Spirited Away, Kamui, great animation. I like Studio Ghibli

I can see how the Corruption of Sark compares, although Haku was much more sympathetic.

I think the difference here is that Sark was a program written by Dillenger, the MCP began as a program written by Dillenger, which integrated other programs into itself, as a piece of living AI.

Sark and the MCP have very close ties I think, at the core of who they calculate themselves to be

BTW I bought the Japanses Import with the DTS soundtrack on it, not watched that beauty yet !

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spiritquest Wrote:Kamui and Vortex both have good points. And I see Sark's behaviour to be torn between the two in both cases. Torn between his fear/reverence of the Users, his anger at having been ordered to deal with a User by the MCP, and his fear that he may not be able to beat a user fairly on the game grid opposed to his fear /anger towards being punished by the MCP. All possibilities. All thought provoking. I like your reference to Spirited Away, Kamui, great animation. I like Studio Ghibli I can see how the Corruption of Sark compares, although Haku was much more sympathetic. I think the difference here is that Sark was a program written by Dillenger, the MCP began as a program written by Dillenger, which integrated other programs into itself, as a piece of living AI. Sark and the MCP have very close ties I think, at the core of who they calculate themselves to be BTW I bought the Japanses Import with the DTS soundtrack on it, not watched that beauty yet !

Double post... I know.

You're right about Haku's case being much more sympathetic. It's kinda difficult to be sympathetic towards Sark.

Hmm..... maybe I should consider an alternate carreer as Sark's psychologist.

*Writes down on a note pad: "Just plain INSANE!"*

Nah.... maybe not... who knows what emotional dribble I'd get out of that.....

But all kidding aside, these features as so previously described seems to make Sark very interesting. He's a very interesting character.... and quite emotional all things considered. He's definately got quite a few "issues."

~Kamui.EXE
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spiritquest Wrote: Hmm..... maybe I should consider an alternate carreer as Sark's psychologist. Now that'd need to be one major program ! Maybe if we all held a 'Sing-a-long-a-Sark' night, he'd start to feel much better with himself, and make something of his program

Ah yes! I see an interesting picture coming on!

A 'Sing-a-long-a-Sark' night! Classic! I can just see him getting all teary eyed and satisfactorly saying "Thank you! Now I'm my own program! I'm special!"

~Kamui.EXE

Boingo_Buzzard Wrote: But there were tones of opportunities where he could have done Flynn in and didn't. Well, in all fairness, Flynn WAS the main character of the film, and wasn't going to bite it, one way or the other. "good" things out of cowardice like the Flynn examples. I am not a believer "The Ends Justify The Means" When Sark made the comment about Users as creators thus showing a sense of guilt, I still maintain this was out of fear and not guilt. So Sark could have very well started off good long before the movie began and long before he met the MCP.~kamui.EXE Absolutely. Even the MCP was a pretty amicable chess program, remember? I guess I am not a follower of the theory that there's good in your actions even if you mean to do evil while doing them. That's kind of a "innocent by reason of insanity" defense And this got away from the topic of the games themselves, dagnabbit!

Yes! I'm the stealer of topics! FEAR ME!

Anyways it could be a fear/guilt combo. Let's not rule that one out.

But here's another question: Why did the MCP get so PO'ed about humans? And how?

I think something must have happened there. And for some reason, I think Dillenger was involved.

~Kamui.EXE

I have thought this concept through as well, and he probably couldn't be derezzed like a normal program, maybe his digitzed molecules would just be thrown back out .. hard to say what might happen ..

lucky there wasn't a powercut at the encom building

Did anyone consider Sark's briefing? perhaps the MCP lets programs play games until they can't 'take it' or are just to afraid to play games in the first place and join the MCP's cronies.
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redrain85 Wrote: Boingo_Buzzard Wrote: Well, in all fairness, Flynn WAS the main character of the film, and wasn't going to bite it, one way or the other. Heh. That kind of puts a damper on my next comment, but here goes anyway . . . I'm wondering if Flynn could have been de-rezzed at all. Or, at least, at what point he couldn't be de-rezzed any more. When he's first brought into the system, his abilities are probably the same as any other program. But as time passes, his abilities grow and he discovers that he has great power. By the end of the film, he's able to stick his arm into a beam of energy and even jump into the MCP itself, and not be de-rezzed. He also doesn't get de-rezzed along with the rest of Sark's carrier, and saves Yori to boot. So I'm thinking that if there was any chance to de-rezz Flynn, it would have to have been done quickly. Because once he found that energy pool, that seemed to be what awakened the dormant User powers within him. And at that point, he could no longer be de-rezzed. (A hint in this direction is the fact that Ram dies, but Flynn doesn't.)

Suspicion: The MCP wouldn't have rezzed Flynn in if he didn't think Flynn could be killed. So I guess the general assuption on the programs behalf is that Flynn could be "derezzed" for good.

~Kamui.EXE

Yeah, Flynn did seem immortal. He didn't die when Ram did. He didn't derez but putting his arm into a beam of energy, and jumping into the MCP didn't kill him.

Seems somewhat godlike to me.