I'm so glad someone posted this thread. I have to admit, I've only barely skimmed Betrayal
- there were so many problems with it, that I couldn't pay it close attention, and I basically mentally tossed it out as soon as I was done reading it.
First and foremost, as had been mentioned above, is timing
. The timeline just does not work for me, because I find it so inexplicable and contradictory to the movie. But actual events and characterization are a problem, too.
I'll quote and respond to the things that bothered me most.
|Emergence of the Isos. In Betrayal, Flynn/Clu call Tron and show him a video of the first Iso emerging from the Sea, wearing a regular black Grid suit. In T:L, Flynn and Clu see a whole bunch of them walking from (somewhere), dressed in primitive robes. |
That bothers me. Actually, specifically that are from the sea bothers me, when in the movie Flynn says they weren't from anywhere.
|In Betrayal, Flynn leaves Encom to try to restore some order to his personal life. In T:L, they make it look like he was with the company until he disappeared. |
Yes, absolutely. All the media circus and "fate of the company" talk most definitely indicated that Flynn was the driving force behind the company at that time. As a side-note here, I have problem with Flynn having screwed up his personal life that way. It seems to me that in the movie he is an attentive father, tells his son bedtime stories, they have an easy and good relationship, etc. And he also seems to have been very heavily involved in the Grid and what was going on there right up to the day he disappeared.
|Tron somehow escapes from Clu in Betrayal.|
Yeah, I'm just ignoring the animated series for the moment. I think it complicates matters and is done solely because they need Tron in a Tron series.
|In T:L, it's implied that Clu simply goes bad because he's on a power trip and sees the Isos as imperfection, and he attacks Flynn for little reason. In Betrayal, it seems to be shown that the Isos did indeed bring some sort of instability to the system and Clu is angry because he is the only one trying to fix it, and Flynn's rarely there (and when he is, he actually doesn't do anything). Clu seems far more justified in Betrayal. |
Very true. It's very annoying. I think the ISOs only manifested the night he told Alan about them, honestly. Also, in the movie, Flynn talks about his night-work and says he was at the grid "all those nights". He gives speech about how "in there" is the future. It makes no sense that he's not there, not doing things. And when Clu attacks Flynn in the movie he talks about imperfection, and he does so again when he talks about invading the real world. And the real world isn't causing him any problems. Clu is just trying to create perfection, and they aren't it to him. Neither are we.
|My own contribution on this would be (as I mentioned in another thread) Zuse's utter lack of differentiation in T:L and Betrayal, where he was supposed to be in his normal persona and not the same flamboyant bar-owning self he is in T:L. They completely ignored the fact that Zuse became Castor to disguise his former identity.|
Great contribution, because that makes no sense at all. I do agree that the club, personality, and name are all new.
|Oh, I think I remember. In T:L, it seems like the Isos were discovered right before Flynn disappears-- he went to Alan saying he had some big revelation, and he tells Sam about "a miracle: the same night he disappears. But in Betrayal, it seems to be several years between the emergence of the Isos and Flynn's disappearance. |
As I've said, this is probably my biggest peeve. Others probably matter more (particularly the characterization of Flynn), but this is the one that bothers me most.
|Betrayal states that the ISOs started emerging from the Sea, and that Flynn was informed of it.
The way I see it, to have one previously unknown life form appear out of nowhere like that would have been quite a surprise to everyone (a ‘miracle’ he called it).
But to see HUNDREDS of them appear EN MASSE out of no where in a HUGE GROUP? I don’t think anyone on the Grid was really expecting THAT to happen, least of all him (“You seeing this?”). In my opinion, that look of surprise on his face when he sees the group walking towards him isn’t because it’s the first time he’s seen them, it’s because he’s never seen SO MANY OF THEM TOGETHER at once.
That doesn't work for me, because he checks the symbol on the arm. More importantly, IIRC (I'll check when I get a chance), because we are shown this visual at the same time we are being told they manifested. Showing the first manifestation (and I think it might have been a one-time event, but don't have strong feelings) is the most logical thing to do there.
|Another discrepancy between T:B and T:L that it has taken me this long to notice: Flynn's house.
I just tell myself maybe he and Sam moved some time after Jordan dies (and I've seen one person who seems to take the tack that it's actually Flynn's parents' house we're seeing in the film), but...
I actually did think either Flynn moved in with his parents or his parents with him after Jordan died. Since his leaving after Sam went to bed seems routine, someone would need to be there to watch Sam every night. Given the room, though, I'd say Sam definitely lives there. And is still living there after Flynn's disappearance.
|However there's still a question that no other Legacy material other than betrayal has answered, Why did the Isos suddenly stopped coming from the sea of simulation?|
I did wonder if they were a one time occurrence. That maybe all were manifested at one time and then some of them started walking and met up with Flynn. That, of course, disregards the sea of simulation altogether.
|Like someone else said, the graphic novel gives some interesting new angles, but raises a hell of a lot of questions. And, quite frankly, makes Flynn look like a big asshole, in a lot of ways.|
Agreed. I find the Betrayal
depiction of Flynn to be very little like the Legacy
|The other problem T:B brings up is: T:L never mentions gridbugs or problems. Does that mean the problems DID stop after Clu gets rid of the Isos, and therefore he was right? (I don't think that's what the film means to imply|
I don't think it did, either. Flynn was so optimistic talking about the Grid in the 80s, like perfection was in-reach, and then in 2010 his retrospective is that they were "jamming, building Utopia" and it sounds very much to me like Flynn thought things were going great (and so did Clu?) and then the ISOs manifested and Flynn did a sudden about-face, realized he'd been pursuing the wrong things, saw value in them and what they could give the world and totally changed what his view of "perfection" was or should be. And Clu couldn't process/accept/agree with that changed viewpoint. He was too inflexible, too locked-in to the old view.where to buy abortion pills online http://www.extrageek.com/template/default.aspx?an-abortion-pill buy abortion pills online