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 Posts: 1,945 | So is Dillinger Senior the new MCP and is he in the new Tron movie?? on Wednesday, December, 14, 2011 1:30 PM
So in Tron 3 is Dilinger Senior going to be the new MCP?
It seems like it when his song is talking to him through instant message.
So I was just wondering if Dillinger Senior becomes the MCP
and gets sucked into the Encom Grid?
Or did he just re write the MCP?
What do you think please be honest!!
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CB2001 User
![]() Posts: 549 | RE: So is Dillinger Senior the new MCP and is he in the new Tron movie?? on Wednesday, December, 14, 2011 2:35 PM
MCPcomputer Wrote:
So in Tron 3 is Dilinger Senior going to be the new MCP?
It seems like it when his song is talking to him through instant message.
So I was just wondering if Dillinger Senior becomes the MCP
and gets sucked into the Encom Grid?
Or did he just re write the MCP?
What do you think please be honest!!
End of Line!   |
There's a hint of it on the short conversation. The name of the user his son is talking with references the MCP, not to mention the fact that when we hear the reply, the MCP's voice comes through as well as the text (which is how we saw the MCP in the real world), and the last line from him is "End of LIne" (typical MCP response to end a conversation). There's been a lot of speculation about this, but some suggest that Dillenger Snr. is actually dead in the real world and that the MCP is digital "ghost" of Dillenger Snr. I wouldn't be surprised, if it is true, what happened is that Dillenger Systems somehow found out about digitization and they tried to replicate the experiment and Dillenger tried to go in, only to end up getting "killed" during the digitization process, and his son managed to incorporate the digitized portion of himself into the MCP (much like what happened with Lora Bradley in TRON 2.0 game).
I wouldn't be surprised if what happens in the next film is that Dillenger Systems attempts to take over Encom because Sam reopens the digitization lab in an attempt to resurrect his father (in the same fashion as fCon tries to in the TRON 2.0 game), with Dillenger Jr. leading the charge in an attempt to try to resurrect his father (and Quorra somehow being a piece of the key to resurrecting Flynn or Dillenger due to her digital DNA).order abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pill
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cool83 User
 Posts: 411 | RE: So is Dillinger Senior the new MCP and is he in the new Tron movie?? on Wednesday, December, 14, 2011 9:41 PM
I've often wondered if the MCP voice, in the teaser, was that of Cillian Murphy. It would fit the new story. What do you think.
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DV8ER User
![]() Posts: 149 | RE: So is Dillinger Senior the new MCP and is he in the new Tron movie?? on Wednesday, December, 14, 2011 10:36 PM
CB2001 Wrote:MCPcomputer Wrote:
So in Tron 3 is Dilinger Senior going to be the new MCP?
It seems like it when his song is talking to him through instant message.
So I was just wondering if Dillinger Senior becomes the MCP
and gets sucked into the Encom Grid?
Or did he just re write the MCP?
What do you think please be honest!!
End of Line!   |
There's a hint of it on the short conversation. The name of the user his son is talking with references the MCP, not to mention the fact that when we hear the reply, the MCP's voice comes through as well as the text (which is how we saw the MCP in the real world), and the last line from him is "End of LIne" (typical MCP response to end a conversation). There's been a lot of speculation about this, but some suggest that Dillenger Snr. is actually dead in the real world and that the MCP is digital "ghost" of Dillenger Snr. I wouldn't be surprised, if it is true, what happened is that Dillenger Systems somehow found out about digitization and they tried to replicate the experiment and Dillenger tried to go in, only to end up getting "killed" during the digitization process, and his son managed to incorporate the digitized portion of himself into the MCP (much like what happened with Lora Bradley in TRON 2.0 game).
I wouldn't be surprised if what happens in the next film is that Dillenger Systems attempts to take over Encom because Sam reopens the digitization lab in an attempt to resurrect his father (in the same fashion as fCon tries to in the TRON 2.0 game), with Dillenger Jr. leading the charge in an attempt to try to resurrect his father (and Quorra somehow being a piece of the key to resurrecting Flynn or Dillenger due to her digital DNA). |
Facinating and plausiable scenario. It would tie all the Tron world stuff together. The only thing I think is a conflict is just as you mentioned happens to Lora in Tron 2.0 which poses a problem for Disney if they intend on brining her and Yori back for the next movie, assuming of course, there will be one. According to the "official" Disney Tron time line, Tron 2.0 never happened. Evidence of this is the fact that the web site behind Tron 2.0 has vanished, though honestly it would for sure be a nice nod to Tron 2.0 and maybe we'd get to see Jet? I'm not sure if Disney even acknowledges Jet. *shrug*
But I do like your scenario, I'd really like to see Flynn Sr again, his dieing was a serious bummer. I honestly really liked the angle taken in one of the fan stories here: http://www.tron-sector.com/forums/default.aspx?a=top&id=437744 and it really fits in with what happened in Tron 82 when Flynn jumped into the MCP.
Thanks for your post, I really enjoyed reading it.
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TRON.dll User
 Posts: 4,349 | RE: So is Dillinger Senior the new MCP and is he in the new Tron movie?? on Wednesday, December, 14, 2011 11:08 PM
My speculation/assumptions regarding the Dillinger/MCP convo. are as follows:
-EDJ_0431 is definitely Dillinger Jr.
-MCTRL_751 is Dillinger Sr.
What makes me assume this?
EDJ_0431 > Dad...Did you see this? |
Followed by a response from MCTRL_751. This should imply that MCTRL_751 is Dillinger Jr.'s dad, who is Dillinger Sr.
More speculation:
-MCTRL_751 is not a digitized version of Dillinger. Dillinger likely remembered the MCP as his greatest accomplishment at Encom. I'd be pretty proud of a self-learning AI if I made one, in 1982, at that, even if it became self aware and attempted to blackmail me into helping it take over the world. As such, I think he used the name MCTRL as an undercover name while talking over the internet. Regarding the voice, maybe messages from the other user in this particular chat program are run through a text-to-speech program? I don't know. Personally, I think it's just there to sound cool.
Something I want to know, though, is what the meaning of the numbers are in the usernames. For easy to find reference they are as follows:
Dillinger Jr: 0431
Dillinger Sr: 751
Also, there is reference in the Blu-Ray bonus features and (I think) the ARG content in regards to a "Dillinger Enterprises" or some company of similar name.
For the benefit of the rest of the discussion in this thread, here's a transcript of the chat:
*Video of Sam taking over Encom with Flynn Lives shirt*
EDJ_0431 > Dad...Did you see this?
MCTRL_751 > Yes. Will this be a problem?
EDJ_0431 > No. Minor Bump in the road. Nothing I can't handle.
MCTRL_751 > He may not be his father, but he's still a Flynn. Don't underestimate him.
MCTRL_751 > End of line. |
       
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trekking95 User
 Posts: 2,440 | RE: So is Dillinger Senior the new MCP and is he in the new Tron movie?? on Thursday, December, 15, 2011 12:04 AM
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CB2001 User
![]() Posts: 549 | RE: So is Dillinger Senior the new MCP and is he in the new Tron movie?? on Thursday, December, 15, 2011 1:49 AM
DV8ER Wrote:Facinating and plausiable scenario. It would tie all the Tron world stuff together. The only thing I think is a conflict is just as you mentioned happens to Lora in Tron 2.0 which poses a problem for Disney if they intend on brining her and Yori back for the next movie, assuming of course, there will be one. According to the "official" Disney Tron time line, Tron 2.0 never happened. Evidence of this is the fact that the web site behind Tron 2.0 has vanished, though honestly it would for sure be a nice nod to Tron 2.0 and maybe we'd get to see Jet? I'm not sure if Disney even acknowledges Jet. *shrug* |
Well, I was using the TRON 2.0 references as possible story scenarios, not direct tie-ins. I mean, they could use the same sort of backstory setup and pull details from the game as a resource and the game still not having any connection to the films timeline. So, when I mention what happened to Lora in TRON 2.0, I mean they could have that type of situation occur for Dillenger Snr. instead.
I know that TRON 2.0 isn't canon to the films, but its still a valuable resource for story detail and characters. Even though the game is not canon to the film, there's details in common that are similiar (J talks about it over at the TRON 2.0 subforum). So, they can just use it as a resource and start bringing in more details and tweak them to fit into the films' timeline (for example, instead of Lora "dying" in her digitization experiment due to some unforeseen problem and Dillenger continues to live, Dillenger "dies" instead in his due to his lack of understanding while Lora is still alive and well and still married to Alan). I just wanted to clear up any confusion.
But I do like your scenario, I'd really like to see Flynn Sr again, his dieing was a serious bummer. I honestly really liked the angle taken in one of the fan stories here: http://www.tron-sector.com/forums/default.aspx?a=top&id=437744 and it really fits in with what happened in Tron 82 when Flynn jumped into the MCP.
Thanks for your post, I really enjoyed reading it.
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MCPcomputer User
 Posts: 1,945 | RE: So is Dillinger Senior the new MCP and is he in the new Tron movie?? on Thursday, December, 15, 2011 2:48 PM
Hmmm very interesting so some of you say he might be a ghost
in the Encom sysmte! Interesting interesting!!
And yet some of you think he might be his father and just
chatting with his song.
But I think it is Dillinger Sr..
i just have this feeling he's in the Encom Grid...
and when he's in there.. he talks like the MCP.
Of course I think he used to be in the real world..
because in Tron Legacy Ed Jr. calls his dad...
after Sam Flynn replaced the master file with
the video of Marv barking! lol    "I want him in the games until he dies playing" -MCP
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CB2001 User
![]() Posts: 549 | RE: So is Dillinger Senior the new MCP and is he in the new Tron movie?? on Thursday, December, 15, 2011 7:06 PM
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DV8ER User
![]() Posts: 149 | RE: So is Dillinger Senior the new MCP and is he in the new Tron movie?? on Thursday, December, 15, 2011 10:13 PM
CB2001 Wrote:DV8ER Wrote:Facinating and plausiable scenario. It would tie all the Tron world stuff together. The only thing I think is a conflict is just as you mentioned happens to Lora in Tron 2.0 which poses a problem for Disney if they intend on brining her and Yori back for the next movie, assuming of course, there will be one. According to the "official" Disney Tron time line, Tron 2.0 never happened. Evidence of this is the fact that the web site behind Tron 2.0 has vanished, though honestly it would for sure be a nice nod to Tron 2.0 and maybe we'd get to see Jet? I'm not sure if Disney even acknowledges Jet. *shrug* |
Well, I was using the TRON 2.0 references as possible story scenarios, not direct tie-ins. I mean, they could use the same sort of backstory setup and pull details from the game as a resource and the game still not having any connection to the films timeline. So, when I mention what happened to Lora in TRON 2.0, I mean they could have that type of situation occur for Dillenger Snr. instead.
I know that TRON 2.0 isn't canon to the films, but its still a valuable resource for story detail and characters. Even though the game is not canon to the film, there's details in common that are similiar (J talks about it over at the TRON 2.0 subforum). So, they can just use it as a resource and start bringing in more details and tweak them to fit into the films' timeline (for example, instead of Lora "dying" in her digitization experiment due to some unforeseen problem and Dillenger continues to live, Dillenger "dies" instead in his due to his lack of understanding while Lora is still alive and well and still married to Alan). I just wanted to clear up any confusion.
But I do like your scenario, I'd really like to see Flynn Sr again, his dieing was a serious bummer. I honestly really liked the angle taken in one of the fan stories here: http://www.tron-sector.com/forums/default.aspx?a=top&id=437744 and it really fits in with what happened in Tron 82 when Flynn jumped into the MCP.
Thanks for your post, I really enjoyed reading it.
-D |
You're welcome. I'm glad the idea is getting such a positive response. Thanks to everyone. I'm glad you're all liking that one. |
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I think the animated series may also help fill in some of the story. I remember reading about it and Bartik's name was mentioned - I got the idea that they were going to dig into his story a bit in the animated series, after all that is one hellva scar on his face.
Anyway, it's great getting to read everyone's ideas, scenarios, etc... Let's keep it going, this is great!
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MCPcomputer User
 Posts: 1,945 | RE: So is Dillinger Senior the new MCP and is he in the new Tron movie?? on Tuesday, December, 20, 2011 9:23 PM
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Kat User
 Posts: 2,395 | RE: So is Dillinger Senior the new MCP and is he in the new Tron movie?? on Tuesday, December, 20, 2011 9:34 PM
Actually, when I watched it most recently, I noticed that it seems someone calls HIM. You hear a phone ring, and I thought it was someone else's, but then he stands up and walks out, phone in hand... (I just ignored that for my story because I already had it written.)
So who, then, is calling HIM? (Obviously someone important enough to make him leave a work meeting... yet not someone important enough to know that's where he'll be and they shouldn't call??)
What do you want? I'm busy.
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MCPcomputer User
 Posts: 1,945 | RE: So is Dillinger Senior the new MCP and is he in the new Tron movie?? on Wednesday, December, 21, 2011 5:21 PM
It was probably his Dad or the MCP they are the only ones important enough
to call him during a meeting I think lol    "I want him in the games until he dies playing" -MCP
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CB2001 User
![]() Posts: 549 | RE: So is Dillinger Senior the new MCP and is he in the new Tron movie?? on Wednesday, December, 21, 2011 5:55 PM
MCPcomputer Wrote:
It was probably his Dad or the MCP they are the only ones important enough
to call him during a meeting I think lol   |
Or his girlfriend... Or his wife.... Or his mom.... Or his sister... Or brother... Or his right hand man (aka the guy who is helping him out with the plan on taking over Encom)...
The only real way we'll get the answer is in the next film.
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MCPcomputer User
 Posts: 1,945 | RE: So is Dillinger Senior the new MCP and is he in the new Tron movie?? on Wednesday, December, 21, 2011 6:43 PM
Or we could get into the system..
and write him an e mail lol
Just kidding.. but yeah have a great day!!!    "I want him in the games until he dies playing" -MCP
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Kat User
 Posts: 2,395 | RE: So is Dillinger Senior the new MCP and is he in the new Tron movie?? on Wednesday, December, 21, 2011 7:32 PM
If you were plotting with someone to take over a company, you probably wouldn't call them WHILE they were in a meeting at said company...
What do you want? I'm busy.
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mrw User
 Posts: 19 | RE: So is Dillinger Senior the new MCP and is he in the new Tron movie?? on Wednesday, December, 21, 2011 8:18 PM
If you were plotting with someone to take over a company, you probably wouldn't call them WHILE they were in a meeting at said company... |
That would be really cocky wouldn't it? Heck, it's really cocky of Jr. to even take/make a call and basically just walk out in the middle of a board meeting -- and no one calls him on it. I can't decide if that was just meant to show how much power Jr. has at Encom or if it's implying that the call itself was what was important.
As for the MCP/Dillinger, I've been leaning towards CB2001's theory as well. The username is MCTRL, and the digitized voice and "end of line" are much like the original MCP's, implying it's a program, but Jr. calls it "Dad," so it's got to be more than just an update of the original program. My question is, if it's on the system, has anyone noticed yet? The original MCP wasn't exactly stealthy.
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MCPcomputer User
 Posts: 1,945 | RE: So is Dillinger Senior the new MCP and is he in the new Tron movie?? on Thursday, December, 22, 2011 2:42 PM
I think maybe Dillinger is in the Grid...
and he's the new MCP.
But we will see soon!
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Kat User
 Posts: 2,395 | RE: So is Dillinger Senior the new MCP and is he in the new Tron movie?? on Thursday, December, 22, 2011 7:43 PM
mrw Wrote:If you were plotting with someone to take over a company, you probably wouldn't call them WHILE they were in a meeting at said company... |
That would be really cocky wouldn't it? Heck, it's really cocky of Jr. to even take/make a call and basically just walk out in the middle of a board meeting -- and no one calls him on it. I can't decide if that was just meant to show how much power Jr. has at Encom or if it's implying that the call itself was what was important.
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We only see him walk out though, not what happened after. For all we know, he got called on the carpet the next day. Everyone was probably still too busy freaking out to pay much attention.
Might be interesting to watch it again though and see if we get any glimpses of Alan and what he looks like when he sees that... What do you want? I'm busy.
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MCPcomputer User
 Posts: 1,945 | RE: So is Dillinger Senior the new MCP and is he in the new Tron movie?? on Friday, December, 23, 2011 1:54 AM
Yes I will have to watch this again tonight!
and get everything together!!
Have a great night and enjoy the drink!
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