laphtiya Wrote: Kat Wrote:Even if I thought they were people, I wouldn't have trouble understanding it. These folks have never heard of despotic, genocidal, power-hungry dictators? Of people having a change of conscience? Have they lived under a rock?? I have a niece who is 12 years old, and she thought the movie was based on Hitler and what he did to the jewish population during the second world war.......SHE GETS IT?!?!? Why do people insist that TL had zero plot, or weak characters? It just shows you that movie critics and a lot of people out there just lack the basic understanding or historical knowledge to realise that TL has a ton of stuff going on.

They absolutely could've done better with the plot, but that could count for a lot of movies.

I actually thought Betrayal was a lot more "busy" in this sense-- probably because they didn't need to appeal to a wider audience. Unfortunately I think any thread about those particular issues would go downhill quickly so I've never bothered to start it.

laphtiya Wrote:From my understanding it seemed to me that flynn basically set up a completely blank system with nothing on it other than the veeeeeery basics to boot the computer, he then went in and started building everything from the inside. So I wouldn't say it was intended to be a virtual world, but it has ended up that way with the nature in which he set the system up. I think he was trying to push the limits to what can be done inside a computer system where you have very few limitations other than processing power of the system itself (as you see in the graphic novel).

That's pretty much what I said. I think he intended it to just be a place where he could mess around and see what happened.

I always wondered, though... did he mean for people to go there, or did he mean for it just to be more of an environment for figuring out how to change the world, like his iteration of changing medicine and such? (I mean, we know it would've ended up as the former anyway, just like the internet, just not sure what he meant for it initially.)where to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill online

IMO the biggest problem with TL was that it didn't address the user/program relationship to the extent that the original movie did. There were several scenes stressing the point that programs were avatars of the programmers that created them. Walter Gibbs statement that the users' spirit was in every program they wrote and Ed Dillinger's response that he didn't have time for religious discussions summed it up quite nicely.

IIRC there wasn't even a mention in TL of Alan Bradley being the programmer who wrote Tron.

IF there is a T3, I hope that this issue is addressed more clearly. Unfortunately, as the programs nowdays are no longer the work of a single person, their grid representations would end up looking like either a conglomeration of everyone involved or like the MCP.

laphtiya Wrote:Hi Kat No doubt they could have done better, but my point is that there is a decent plot in there already and I hate when people say it had no story what so ever. I agree that Betrayal had a lot more going on and for me felt more 'Tron-like" than TL did. But I have a feeling that the movie fell victim to the current attitude of the latest sequel/reboot theme, basically this movie set the ground work for others to follow and by doing so left a lot of loose ends and plot holes which they intended to fill in with follow ups.

Oh, I never said there wasn't. Just that there were a few things that weren't explained very well, or that made little sense, but we know that. Not so difficult for the general moviegoing public, but more so for fanfic writers and folks like us who pick the films apart, people who are really thinking about it in-depth. Some of those things, I wouldn't have noticed if we didn't go into it in detail here or if I weren't writing fic about it, and some of them are what brought me here because I was googling for answers after seeing the movie.

Really it's all preaching to the choir here, anyway. We know the plot was decent, or we wouldn't be here. We know there were some things that left a bit to be desired, or we wouldn't have at least half the discussions we have here.