When a program is derezzed, their disc always remains intact while the rest of them falls to pieces. If the disc represents everything the Program has seen and done, then it could stand to reason that they could be remade, possibly being the process in which Clu rectifies Programs.

What this could mean for Programs in the games is that they're essentially trapped there, fighting and dying forever. That would explain how Sam's first opponent, a program that has been there since before Flynn got trapped could still be around, but be defeated by a User with zero Disc Wars experience.

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I had wondered that as well, if it was losing the discs that helped him change back. But I'd rather think it's just that Tron kicks that much ass. Or it could be that maybe Tron kicks so much ass that the discs physically keep him Rinzler-- keeping them on him at all times is the only way Clu can keep him under control; maybe they override something at the physical level in whatever programs have that pass for neural pathways. It could even be part of the reason has two-- in case one gets lost, the other's a backup/failsafe.

(As far as Sam... there are the arguments that Rinzler may've started to glitch a bit when he saw Sam, and the change was actually far longer and slower, occurring throughout the whole movie, with the dramatic final changeover occurring at the end when it finally all clicks and he remembers. I've actually long wondered at Rinz saying "User!" You never, ever hear him speak at any other time, which makes me wonder if he never did [or perhaps even could not]... until he saw a user and that triggered something in him.)where to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill onlineabortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion

Loctevus Wrote:Okay folks lets think this out for a moment. Just like every program out there. Programs can be deleted and even take completely off a computer easily, but somewhere inside the machine without completly reformating it and reinstalling the operating system itself. Programs can still exist in the machine till you do so. So lets take Tron for example. Same thing happen in this situation. Without reformating or reinstalling an operational system for your computer. Its possible for Programs to continue to exists even if their main coding is deleted. Somewhere inside the system that program could still be there. The Identity Discs, Everything is written in this program is written onto the disk. If the disc is still active, but the program is not. It is possible to repurpose them and reinstall them into the main frame system. This is how Clu was able to make his army in the first place. He can't create programs because he himself is a program, but as an AI ( Artifical Intellegence ) based type program. He can repurpose them within the system itself if the program's main data file is still active. Just because the program has been deresolutionized doesn't mean his disc is gone. =) If I explained that wrong or unclearly. Please say so, I'm not good with speaches. . Anyways, Keep it coming, I'm enjoying the convosation and opinions on people's thoughts. =)

Modern systems simply mark the used space as available when you hit the delete button, which is why you can run data recovery and recover all your files assuming you've not wrote over the bits. Now I don't know if this was a function of machines in the early 80s I've only been a full time IT technician since 2007 and before that I was mostly in web design so not sure who the older systems worked. But I think when you deleted a file back in the day it was gone for good, that doesn't mean to say Flynn didn't create his own backup/recovery system. It would make perfect sense that he would do something like this, but seeing as the discs seem to be somewhat permanent in the Grid this might be possible. We all know that you do not need a disc in this system to exist, they are given. So they are not bound to the existence of the program, this might be a deliberate thing that Flynn came up with during the creation of the system.

Tapes work as you say, but in the early days of pure digital memory one it was gone it was gone. Now I don't see any tape drives connected to the servers before Sam enters the Grid (but this doesn't mean to say there aren't any). We know Flynn fought Clu, and Flynn CAN create programs so this could explain Clu's supply of programs not running out. Flynn eventually gave up fighting in order to prevent Clu from becoming stronger, who's to say that the first batch of Gladiator games were not prisoners of war? Then he started picking up 'strays' or rogue programs to make examples of to those who would stand against him.

The problem with the description of the one who shouted 'Erase me" is the fact he did not have a disc so what was all that about?

Perhaps once they get a disc it can be used in this way? As a sort of secondary interface? Flynn obviously needs his disc to get out of the system he states its the master key. So perhaps its an upgrade that allows the program to have more functionality?

Sso02V Wrote: laphtiya Wrote:Perhaps once they get a disc it can be used in this way? As a sort of secondary interface? Flynn obviously needs his disc to get out of the system he states its the master key. So perhaps its an upgrade that allows the program to have more functionality? The EoL waitresses are all discless, so that could be the case. They may just be automated functions. Either that or they're paying Zuse to keep their disc locked up somewhere so nobody can get to it.

Hell, who knows. Maybe there's some idea on the Grid that a disc isn't "attractive" so none of the waitresses wear them because Zuse wants his waitstaff good-looking. Probably could be a lot of explanations for this... yet another thing Disney seemed to write in to make us wonder, but that they weren't going to offer any sort of explanation for whatsoever (I'd like to think they have some sort of plan to pull all these seemingly-small bits and pieces together and explain to us later, but I dunno... but somebody obviously went to the trouble for all of these details, so why do it for no reason that is essential to the plot?).
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laphtiya Wrote: Well I wouldn't want some drunken sleaze ball all over my disc maybe its as simple as that! lol

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While it's fanon speculation, here's my personal idea about just what 'deresolution' actually is.

Essentially, derezzing a program is killing their active process in the system, shutting them down, and erasing the log of their operation to date.

The ACTUAL literal program is not erased. Each program in the Grid seems to serve a specific purpose. Each spawned to do a job. It wouldn't make sense to allow a program who say, runs a power plant, to fall, kill himself, then leave nobody capable of running the power plant.

Therefore... a program assigned to a certain function is spawned as needed, when the old process (old identity) is killed off. Either by accident, error, malfunction or... *crash of thunder* MURDER.

*cough*

Anyway, the idea is that for a program, deresolution is a form of death - death of memories, of personality. Their consciousness is reloaded to a default state somewhere at a rezzing unit and they're redeployed as a blank slate knowing only their job. For the friends of a 'murdered' program, it would still be emotionally upsetting and traumatic, as their friend would effectively be dead and his reincarnation wouldn't even know them.

Thus, that one program's horror at the idea of the Games. And why he screamed "erase me!" as he killed himself - he desperately wished there was some way to be permanently erased, shut down, rather than be killed in the games only to respawn and probably be killed in the games again. Endlessly.

If a "hero unit" like Tron were defeated and derezzed, his actual program file probably still exists in the system. But he'd have to be manually reloaded perhaps, and worse, his memories and experience to date would be wiped. But, perhaps that is an elegant explanation for why Clu rectified Tron into Rinzler rather than just kill him. Because Clu could NOT kill Tron or delete his source code from the system. Because Clu did not have full administrative access, just as he couldn't write and create new programs.

If Clu merely killed Tron, Tron could be reloaded. While he would be a blank slate, and probably not even aware of Clu's treachery at first, Clu knows all too well that Tron is literally programmed for absolute and uncompromising justice. (Funnily, Clu might admire Tron in a dark way, because Tron represents a form of perfection!) Therefore, it would only be a matter of time before a form of Tron rebelled against Clu and took him down.

Much more secure to use Tron's powerful abilities for himself, and keep Tron under control, by rectifying him into a pawn.

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Really, that theory makes more sense from a software (real-world) standpoint than just "oh hey, program's deleted, sorry about that." From an in-universe standpoint, the idea of reincarnation kind of freaks me out. Imagine being a program. Your friend or lover has been de-rezzed and is now back... they look the same, sound the same, but that is it. You still care about them. Do they come to care about you again, or are they different? And will the relationship ever be the same anyway if they don't have the same memories? Can't wrap my head around it.


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