It was just a user interface confirmation dialog.

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You do have to wonder what might have happened had Flynn not answered, or said "No..." or even "What?"

Very good thought and I have to agree with the premise. I also love that dialog!

I think you thought it through and its very logical and I can't think of anything to add or to counter with.

I do think Flynn still should have had the ability to simply say 'Stop'. But I guess we could think of Clu at that point as a runaway process and the only way to stop him was to kill the process, and we all saw the result of that at the end of the movie which is why Flynn never tried to do it before.

He was thinking that Clu would be brought down by other processes, that he would wait it out and maybe Clu would abend or something, but it seems that was a real long shot.

emdeesee Wrote: Kat Wrote: I thought it was a half-snarky, half-CYA thing. "Well, he *said* yes..." ...Like most confirmation dialogs.

Right, but the idea that it was a simple "I am asking my user for instructions" thing doesn't exactly imply that there is thought and calculation behind it. You can simply ask your parents for permission to go out with your friends, or your boss if you can leave early... or you can do so slyly with an ulterior motive to make sure you you get away with something so you can technically say you asked permission even though you may not have given the person(s) in question all of the information they need to make an informed decision. And I always thought it was NOT a simple, guileless "mother may I" type of situation.

ChessMess Wrote:Very good thought and I have to agree with the premise. I also love that dialog! I think you thought it through and its very logical and I can't think of anything to add or to counter with. I do think Flynn still should have had the ability to simply say 'Stop'. But I guess we could think of Clu at that point as a runaway process and the only way to stop him was to kill the process, and we all saw the result of that at the end of the movie which is why Flynn never tried to do it before. He was thinking that Clu would be brought down by other processes, that he would wait it out and maybe Clu would abend or something, but it seems that was a real long shot.

That's the thing. Flynn appears to have tried to stop Clu many times, so clearly he had no way of controlling Clu. I'm not sure if perhaps a user has less control over a program from inside the Grid, or what. (Which makes you wonder: if Flynn had gotten out and deleted Clu, would he have just exploded in his computer chair or something, or was self-destruction just a feature of stopping Clu *on-Grid*? Because I got the impression that he wasn't necessarily planning on *killing* Clu when he got out-- stopping him, yes; modifying him, yes, but not deleting him. Yet obviously he was unable to stop him on-Grid without outright eliminating him.)

Kat Wrote: emdeesee Wrote: Kat Wrote: I thought it was a half-snarky, half-CYA thing.  "Well, he *said* yes..." ...Like most confirmation dialogs. Right, but the idea that it was a simple "I am asking my user for instructions" thing doesn't exactly imply that there is thought and calculation behind it.  You can simply ask your parents for permission to go out with your friends, or your boss if you can leave early... or you can do so slyly with an ulterior motive to make sure you you get away with something so you can technically say you asked permission even though you may not have given the person(s) in question all of the information they need to make an informed decision.  And I always thought it was NOT a simple, guileless  "mother may I" type of situation.

I'm not sure there was calculation or guile. The question may well have been a simple sanity check, triggered when Flynn's behavior diverged sufficiently from Clu's directive to "create the perfect system" (as understood by Clu). To put it another way, the question may have been triggered when Clu's directive was in conflict with Flynn's behavior.

Am I still to create the perfect system? [Yes] [No]

Among User Interface experts, it's well-known that users always click "Yes". Like Flynn did. They just want to  make the question go away, so they can get on with what they are actually doing. From Flynn's point of view, Clu was just pestering him with some detail of the Grid's operation, and Flynn wanted to make Clu go away, so Flynn could get back to his new, shiny toys, the Isos.

From Clu's perspective, his directive required him to eliminate the random factors introduced with the Isos. He couldn't do this without neutralizing Flynn. He couldn't take action in direct conflict with Flynn without getting permission/confirmation.

Clu, being Clu, had all the resources (i.e. the Black Guards standing by) ready to initiate the next step as soon as he received confirmation. If Flynn had said, "No, we're going to reassess your directive, Clu.", I'd like to think Clu would have stood down.

Users always click "Yes".

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For me it does fit because we all know Clu is very narrow minded: "I will create the perfect system" all other aspects of what he does is to create the perfect system. I do like to believe that if Flynn said "No" that Clu would not have been able to attack Flynn. I don't think it was a "well I am going to do it anyway" kind of situation, simply because to me I'd want Tron out of the way without a fight. I would allow Flynn to leave and set a trap outside of the arcade for his arrival back (similar to Sam) have him picked up and blasted to bits on the game grid.

This was an annoying dialogue box that Flynn just happened to click "yes" to in order to make it go away.

Kat Wrote:Well, I guess I didn't interpret it as Flynn saying yes because he wanted Clu out of his way, either. He pauses, says, "....yeah?" as if he's perplexed why Clu asked. If he'd said "well, duh" instead, I would've gotten the same meaning. He has no idea why Clu would ask if he's still to follow his directive. It's the same way my boss would respond if I went to him and asked if I was still supposed to do the paperwork. And perhaps that's why I definitely thought Clu was up to something as well as merely asking what he should do in an innocent manner. Why would there be any need to ask if he's still supposed to do... well, what he's supposed to do? If Firefox asked permission every time it wanted to load something new on a page, that would be weird. It only asks for clarification if it's going to do something that maybe isn't usual for it-- say, open a PDF, or allow a popup. But it's not going to ask "do you still want to browse the web?" Uh... yeah? No shit. I'd respond the same way Flynn did.

CLU works with confusion. Clever CLU...

I thought he said "will you quit worrying, Tron?"


Others here have said, though, that Tron was admonishing him because apparently he kept not getting to the portal until the last second, and Tron was afraid it would close on him?

(But all I ever heard of the dialogue was the "will you quit worrying, Tron?" part.)

I think it is kind of cool the way they kind of portrayed Clu as being a semi-sympathetic character at the end.

I mean he had the chance to off Flynn, and he couldn't bring himself to do it. Was a nice change of pace from the usual black and white villain that we usually get in science fiction.