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ChessMess
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Clu feed on Flynns resistance

on Wednesday, June, 20, 2012 11:45 PM

I'm having difficulty seeing exactly how Clu could have feed of Flynns resistance. Course we don't know what form Flynn's resistance was. I mean Clu is so different than the MCP, he couldn't jump into the I/O of Clu to shut it down that way.

Do you think they fought at all on the game Grid? That would be a sight to see Clu vs Flynn on the LightCycle grid!

Any theories on Flynn's resistance and how Clu might have 'feed' off it?


 
Sso02V
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RE: Clu feed on Flynns resistance

on Thursday, June, 21, 2012 12:14 AM
Flynn sends loyal programs to try to stop Clu.

Clu Rectifies those programs.


 
trekking95
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RE: Clu feed on Flynns resistance

on Thursday, June, 21, 2012 12:18 AM
Resistance, the best food on the Grid! Feed on some today!

Is that what you meant?

I took it as when Flynn would fight back Clu would go tell the programs how evil Flynn was and they should join him to kill the user. He would then get more programs on his side and more of an army. So that would be feeding off Flynn's resistance. where to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill onlineabortion pills online http://www.kvicksundscupen.se/template/default.aspx?abortion-questions cytotec abortion

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cirlin
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RE: Clu feed on Flynns resistance

on Thursday, June, 21, 2012 12:48 AM
ChessMess Wrote:
I'm having difficulty seeing exactly how Clu could have feed of Flynns resistance. Course we don't know what form Flynn's resistance was. I mean Clu is so different than the MCP, he couldn't jump into the I/O of Clu to shut it down that way.

Do you think they fought at all on the game Grid? That would be a sight to see Clu vs Flynn on the LightCycle grid!

Any theories on Flynn's resistance and how Clu might have 'feed' off it?
Most likely Clu is able to use the fighting as an excuse to gain more control over the Grid and convince the majority of Programs that it's for their safety and in their best interest. He would most likely take the position that these are 'terrorists' and he's just responding to their attacks, rather than it being the other way around.

It's actually a very common tactic for dictators. Look at what's going on in Syria right now for instance. Hitler used this to an extent as well, focusing peoples anger on Jews and other minorities. Sadly it seems to be an aspect of history and human behavior that shows up again and again.


 
MCPcomputer
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RE: Clu feed on Flynns resistance

on Thursday, June, 21, 2012 3:07 AM

Interesting theories...

I think Flynn knew staying away and meditating and making his energy and power rise would make him more powerful....

Then when the time was ready.. he could defeat Clu...

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emdeesee
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RE: Clu feed on Flynns resistance

on Thursday, June, 21, 2012 10:39 AM
During Jarvis's oration on the Game Grid and Clu's speech aboard the Rectifier, references are made to "vanquishing the tyranny of the User" and "enslavement by the User". Castor hints at dissatisfaction with the measures Flynn took to ensure no program could access the portal. In Betrayal and Evolution there's a certain sense on the part of the programs (Clu in particular, of course) that Flynn has forsaken them in favor of the Isos, and that the programs have become afterthoughts to Flynn.

Clu makes a pretty good case to the other programs that Flynn is, at best, a capricious and jealous deity or, at worst, a petty tyrant with absolute power. Never mind that Clu is, himself, a totalitarian and authoritarian ruler. It's only natural that programs would crave hierarchy.

Anytime Flynn might move against Clu, to rally support, Clu need only assert that Flynn's goal is absolute subjugation of the programs. I'm supposing that's what Clu did, and Flynn is referring to Clu's success with the strategy.

(Supplemental: It occurs to me that Clu's propaganda may have included suggestion that Flynn intended to replace programs with Isos entirely, should Flynn return to power.)




 
ChessMess
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RE: Clu feed on Flynns resistance

on Thursday, June, 21, 2012 10:30 PM
Do you think Clu had the Purge event already staged the moment he got confirmation from Flynn to start the uprising (see "Am I still to create the perfect system" thread)?

In the story telling of it in the movie it felt like there was some time between. But if there was, why didn't the ISO's help Flynn. Maybe they were just living in an ISO dream world and didn't see the Ctrl-C until it was too late.


 
emdeesee
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RE: Clu feed on Flynns resistance

on Friday, June, 22, 2012 9:16 AM
ChessMess Wrote:Do you think Clu had the Purge event already staged the moment he got confirmation from Flynn to start the uprising (see "Am I still to create the perfect system" thread)?

In the story telling of it in the movie it felt like there was some time between. But if there was, why didn't the ISO's help Flynn. Maybe they were just living in an ISO dream world and didn't see the Ctrl-C until it was too late.

I think Clu may have had plans for the purge ready, but I don't think he had tanks and recognizers deployed around the Iso city. It all unfolds pretty quickly in the Evolution plotline, though.


 
laphtiya
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RE: Clu feed on Flynns resistance

on Friday, June, 22, 2012 6:03 PM
All prisoners of war were instantly rectified for his own purpose so say you have a battle of 1000 programs per side. Flynn loses a battle and Clu captures 600 of Flynns resistance, well Clu now has an army of what ever losses he took himself plus 600. Flynn after who knows how long, saw that this was to be an endless cycle so he gives up and refuses to play the game.


 
annimusprime
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RE: Clu feed on Flynns resistance

on Saturday, June, 23, 2012 1:36 AM
Maybe they were just living in an ISO dream world and didn't see the Ctrl-C until it was too late.

LOL.. That statement cracks me up so badly.... D It hurts.. my diaphragm.

How about SELECT and DELETE... Easy... Select all the .iso in a file given.. than delete all to recycle bin. ^^ Than clean the bin with Ccleaner. Well highlighting all related folders and than deleting em.

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Kat
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RE: Clu feed on Flynns resistance

on Sunday, June, 24, 2012 8:59 PM
Who knows why the Isos didn't help? Judging from T:B, they seemed to set themselves apart from the other programs, and maybe they still didn't want to join in. Or maybe the Isos fought and not many of the other programs actually bothered. Or maybe they were in constant conflict with the other programs and neither group was as strong fighting separately as they would have been if they'd fought together. Maybe they did fight and just lost too many-- do we know how many Isos there were? Could they have lost large numbers?


In one of my fics, Tron sort of explains it to one of the other characters:

“Some programs truly enjoyed the Games; these were usually the ones loyal to Clu, or the ones who believed they had nothing to fear. You know how it gets… as long as you’re safe, forget anyone else, right? Never consider how it might spread, how you might be next. Never, you know, care about your fellow program.

“Others were cheering because they were afraid not to. Clu’s guards were everywhere, and you were never entirely sure who might be loyal to him.”

“Any dissenters were de-rezzed. Later, once he got the kinks worked out of the rectification process and started thinking in earnest about building an army, that was what happened to them instead. ...

“Clu loved the rectification initiative. Why kill your enemies when you can not only defeat them, but turn them to your side? He found it quite satisfying in a sadistic way.

“And so the Resistance slowly dwindled. Both because he reduced their population as they were caught, but also because as time went on, more and more of those who considered speaking out against him thought twice when they saw programs disappearing, some dragged right off the street.

“Besides, slowly, Clu’s way became the norm as everyone got used to it. The trick is to start small—a little surveillance here, a couple new rules there. Get rid of a few really rough criminals. Things that are easy to accept, easily justified. Once everyone’s accustomed to that, you can go a little further, start to blur the lines a bit. I believe it’s what Flynn used to call a ‘slippery slope.’ And so you inch along, almost imperceptibly, until one day someone wakes up and wonders what happened. And when they inevitably voice their concern, you simply paint them as a criminal too, and then no one minds whatever you do to them. And those that do, have just learned what happens when you speak up.

“It’s quite beautiful, isn’t it, the way it works, the slow death of freedom and justice? So easy to execute if you’re willing to be patient. Programs are easily led, lost to fear and apathy and uncertainty and feelings of false safety (which functions according to rules that tend to change). Those who fight are rarely popular. When you fight, you stand alone. You risk everything."





There's also a bit in my Nox Aurumque story (http://www.tron-sector.com/forums/default.aspx?a=top&id=441756):

So many lost. Pointless. War. What was it good for? Absolutely nothing. What did fighting accomplish? In the end, Clu still won. And when they fought, he could eliminate them, and the numbers of his enemies, those willing to speak out against him, dwindled, and in that way he won too. Why die for that, allow the population to shrink to only those who supported him, give him that satisfaction?
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KingJ.exe
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RE: Clu feed on Flynns resistance

on Sunday, June, 24, 2012 9:04 PM
I think it worked like we saw in Tron: Uprising, in the episode Blackout. Resistance does something good, CLU's forces paint it so that the Resistance was the one doing the bad thing that the Resistance actually stopped. And then paint it so that Clu's guys did the good that the Resistance actually did. CLU controlled the media. He could twist things however he wanted.

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