No, he said "Sam, I was paged last night." Of course, he also said "“Hear you did a triple axel off of her a few hours ago” in the same conversation, which definitely lends weight to 24+ hours ago that he got the page, I acknowledge. The only "two" reference to time I recall was Sam's about the base jumping and we both know that's not strictly correct. It had to have been <20 hours ago by Sam's time-passage. But I guess if he thinks of it like crossing time-zones, then maybe midnight makes last night and then having dinner with Flynn and being sent to bed means it's night-time again and so he calls that two... okay, it really doesn't work out, I know.
|I thought he said he got the page two days ago, though? I'm going to have to go back and find the dialogue again, I guess. |
Edited to add: I just remembered another reference Alan said "two nights before he disappeared" about Flynn in the same conversation that he Sam about the page in.
You're right. (I don't own the film, but I do have a fic with that dialogue in it and I went back to check.) I must've been thinking of the thing where he refers to Flynn coming over two nights before he disappeared. Hrm. I'm inclined to say it was still the previous day-- say, if the meeting/Sam's prank is on Tuesday, and he and Q ride off into the sunrise on Wednesday morning, then Alan got the page on Monday. But, that could just be an assumption of mine because of the way *I* talk-- if I haven't been to bed yet, then it's still "tonight," even if it's 4 a.m., y'know? But not everybody does it that way, and we don't know if Alan does.
Ambiguous Script Writers are ambiguous. It's been one of my long-standing arguments here that some of the stuff in the film that we don't "get"-- like stuff that seems to be a reference to other stuff that we never see or is never explained, or stuff like this-- seems to be a case of that thing where you're writing, and YOU know in your head what you mean and what you think the backstory is... but that doesn't mean your reader knows, so what makes sense for you is confusing for them because you don't explain it fully. IOW, to you it may be natural that Alan says X and Sam says Y, or Flynn does Z, or Quorra gets A look on her face, because you have an idea of what's going on in their heads to make them say/do/look like that... but the audience hasn't a clue what your reasoning was, so they have no idea what's going on.
(I notice stuff like that because I used to do that in my own writing all the time, and I still do have to watch carefully to make sure I'm not-- my mom would read something I wrote and be like, "but I don't understand why Bob does this" and I'm like "It's totally because he thinks Jim is an android in disguise!" and she'd be like "but you didn't say that...")
|Tzigone Wrote:I love the Alan/Sam dynamic from Legacy. I'm not quite sure what I think it is, really. I mean, in 2010. I have a good grasp on what it was when Sam was a kid, I think. But how often do they see each other and how much do the communicate. I imagine any distance between them is Sam's doing. I like the character, but (like the original trio) there's a lot of filling-in-the-blanks that we have to do for ourselves. How much of a loner is Sam? Does he even have any friends at all? Did he used to? How does Alan feel about the life Sam is living? By the way, is there a thread for discussion on Sam or the Sam/Alan relationship dynamic?
Sorry, I just noticed this from your initial post. Sam. Oh, Sam. I love poking around in Sam's head. I like poking a bit at Sam-and-Alan too. Okay, in reality I write way too damn much introspective stuff on everybody. (Except Quorra. I've tried to pick apart Quorra and i just have a hard time. I dunno if it's that they didn't give us enough to go on, or what.)
Anyway, as far as Sam goes-- I'm actually working on an exercise where I do get into everyone's head and figure out how they think, what their motives are, what their past is, etc. Still working on Sam at this point because he is, IMO, the easiest (also because I have a personal fic where an OC of mine got to know him in college, so I really dive into his character with her descriptions of what he's like now vs. her flashbacks to their college days so I guess that's a big part of why I've got so many fleshed-out ideas about the guy). But I've seen a lot of different interpretations of him as well that I think could also work with what we're given.
A hopefully-quick rundown of my interpretation is that he was probably a pretty outgoing kid until his dad disappeared-- then between his own conflicted emotions (being left without a dad, the uncertainty, the difficulty of possibly thinking it was his fault), other kids prying or treating him like a pariah, counselors and teachers picking at him and trying to get him to "talk about it", etc. he probably withdrew. Grew up antagonistic and stand-offish-- likely kept away from other people, maybe acted like a douchebag to keep them away from him, maybe got in some fights. I imagine it was like a vicious cycle-- the more he pulled away and acted like a jerk, the more people avoided/disliked him, so the more he pulled away and acted like a jerk, etc.
I don't imagine he ever properly dealt with the fallout of his dad's disappearance-- didn't want to face it, kept it inside, etc. So somewhere in there is probably still a kid who just wants his daddy, even though the outside is grown up. Probably conflict between an inner juvenile "what did i do wrong to make my dad go away" and an outer adult "It wasn't my fault and he was just an asshole" mindset (there is that part where Flynn yells at him and you see Sam regress about 20 years-- my dad just yelled at me
"Dad I'm sorry"). Hence why I tend to imagine he just avoids the whole subject as much as possible still.
Personally I think he was always pretty stand-offish. For one, I think he inherited the Flynn tendency to bend the rules, question everything, push against authority, etc. All that is just exacerbated by the shit that has happened to him. He's a dark version of Flynn at that age, I think-- same attitude, just that Flynn was more outgoing and chipper, like they're two versions of the same character with different experiences. I imagine he looks down on stupid or shallow people. Hasn't made many friends 'cause he hasn't found many people worth bothering with/opening up to. Romantic relationships, forget it-- just another way to care about someone who'll leave him; one-night-stands maybe although I sort of figure he may've even given up on that after college or so. Somewhere inside he may also be dealing with a bit of a low self-esteem issue-- again because of the fallout of "my dad left me", with other stuff piled on top to make it worse, like not getting on with other kids and, again, the downward spiral of "I act standoffish, they don't like me, I act more standoffish, they like me even less, so I act MORE standoffish..."
Then I add other stuff just for fun: he used to smoke but finally quit in college, he messed around with playing guitar back around high school or so, he used to have longer hair, etc.
But that's MY build of Sam. I know someone else who takes the tack that back when he was younger, he did the fast-car/hot-chick thing, which I could possibly also see even if I don't bat for that team personally-- not sure what that person's backstory on Sam's reasoning is, but if you ask me, in Sam's case it's not because he's shallow, it's because living the hard-and-fast life probably takes his mind off of other things and such.