|Argent Wrote:You and I are usually on the same page where Legacy's concerned, but I think I'm going to have to respectfully disagree on this one. Though we see the area immediately around the portal get zeroed out (which handily disposed of Clu's carrier), I didn't have the impression that the shockwave swept all the way out Tron City and beyond before collapsing back in on itself. The last shot appears to show the blast reaching no further than the shore of the Sea of Simulation.
I think the biggest problem is that we don't know. They weren't clear about it. That's one of those things on my list of "We don't have enough info to know either way, so everybody just has to take their own interpretation."
|Argent Wrote:I also think laphtiya made a good point regarding the file transfer - apparently there was something substantial left for Sam to copy, which would seem to support the idea that the hard drive wasn't wiped.
|laphtiya Wrote:In todays terms right click properties check file size. Also it something that would have destroyed the entire grid would probably have made the server trip perhaps the fact that it was still running gave him cause to back it up. Also you see what an undeveloped server looks like when Clu is created nothing there but a floor.
I don't know to what extent Sam thought about it. Remember, he's just gone through a very emotional thing. And as I've pointed out before, that emotion certainly carries him through making a snap decision about taking over a huge international company-- something both he and Alan were in agreement was something he was NOT in a position to do successfully-- as well as possibly reopening the arcade. I don't consider he was thinking clearly at that point. It's possible he may have just taken whatever he could-- whether it was everything intact, or bits of broken code-- in the hopes there was something left. If you know your dad was in there, and you're not really sure what happened to him, is there anything in the world that will make you throw away ANYTHING you might be able to salvage? I'm actually surprised he even turned the machine off (although perhaps he did so because it WAS now unstable).
As far as the area where he created Clu-- simply from what we see in the films, we don't know what that is. We just know it seems to be a secluded area, but it could've been, say, an empty warehouse or something. (see below for more on this)
|laphtiya Wrote:I think the main issue for me personally, though, is that I'm not really sure why "reintegration" would trigger a catastrophic failure of the Grid. It's not like either Flynn or Clu were core elements of the code or anything - the Grid itself predated Clu's creation, after all. (And that's something I haven't seen people do much with, fiction-wise. What was life like on the Grid back before Flynn created Clu? How did the programs from that era feel about this new program, created in the Creator's image to act as his proxy? Was they in awe of him? Did some of them resent Clu for usurping their authority? Before he existed, they had no one looking over their collective shoulders whenever Flynn was off in the User world doing whatever mysterious things Users did...)|
I've not written on it-- and don't plan to-- but I've hinted before that at least some of the programs on the system may've felt Clu was just a Flynn substitute and would rather defer to Flynn if given the choice... which had to grate...
I guess it depends, too, on what Clu's role was. They may have seen him as Big Brother, or he may have just been the dude that kept things together and got shit done.
What I wanna know is what *Tron* thought about it (and Shaddox, if you wanna go with T:B
). Here's Tron, keeping it all together in the Grid. Then Flynn's like "Hey, we're gonna need to create someone else." Why, Tron's not doing a good enough job? You ever been at work, thinking you're doing fine, until your boss is like "Hey, so-and-so's gonna help you." And you're like, "why, am I incompetent? You think I can't do my own job?" (and then what if the person who's supposed to help you looks and sounds just like your boss, or just like your friend or coworker...)
|laphtiya Wrote:Perhaps its in the nature that Flynn created CLU, Flynn had to made CLU within in Grid I don't believe he did that whole mirror thing to be fancy about it. I mean it isn't like he hasn't created programs before right? No CLU needed something specific which required Flynn do go beyond just normal programming.|
|Pilgrim1099 Wrote:Argent, as for the mirror thing, my take is that he actually did the coding on the outside traditionally by key and then he went inside the Grid to kind of 'download' the code and pull his program out.|
There's more on this in T:B
, depending on how much you want to consider that to be canon. Flynn is shown coding from the outside, yes. Then he's on the Grid and he says, "I had to leave the main city for this. Creating something this unique could tear the Grid apart. So I'm going to have to get this right the first time."
So what's the mirror thing? Maybe he did the basics from the outside, and had to go in to put some essence of himself into Clu, some kind of "breathing life into him" metaphor or something. But again, this is from T:B
. From what we see actually in the film... there's not much.
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