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Kamui
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Re: Why "The Games"

on Thursday, March, 03, 2005 9:39 AM
redrain85 Wrote:
Kamui Wrote:Suspicion: The MCP wouldn't have rezzed Flynn in if he didn't think Flynn could be killed. So I guess the general assuption on the programs behalf is that Flynn could be "derezzed" for good.
But how could the MCP know that for sure. He'd never brought a User into his world until that point. If you'll pardon the pun, Flynn was an unknown variable. The MCP had no way of knowing one way or the other, without testing that assumption. Which he did, by putting him in the games.

Also, like I said . . . it's possible that Flynn was susceptible at first. Maybe if Sark had hit that button, that would have been the end of Flynn at that point.

But the evidence in the film later, suggests Flynn was no longer susceptible.


That was pretty much the point I was getting at. ^^;

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on Tuesday, March, 15, 2005 7:01 PM
It might be a convient plot point that Sark left Yori and Flynn to die on the carrier. Of course, Sark might also have been afraid of attacking a user. I don't think it was respect, it was fear.
Remember how the scene starts. Sark walks in, he only knows that two prisoners were taken. A male program
fell from the solar sailor when the carrier crashed into it.
He's happy as can be, because the user is dead. Suddenly
he stops, he's on the verge of terror. "No, you were de-rezzed, I saw you."
What could Sark have done? If he ordered the Memory Guard to kill Yori, Flynn would have tried to save her. And if he couldn't be killed, he could easily have killed Sark.
The exact same thing would've happened if he tried to kill Flynn.
That scene is one of my favorites in the whole movie. Flynn and Dillinger never appear on-screen together, which is disappointing. This is the closest we get to that.
Sark trains to regain the upperhand by telling Flynn that
there's nothing special about him, he's just an ordinary
program. Flynn says the same's true of Sark.
Sark flares up and says "you are nothing!". Flynn just
turns away and laughs. He knows that isn't true, in the
computer world and the real world he is what Sark/Dillinger
could never be. Dillinger/Sark may control the ENCOM
computer system, but Flynn was one of those who created
it. Nothing they do can take that away.
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Vortex.EXE
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on Tuesday, March, 15, 2005 10:24 PM
...good point, but I believe the reason he was using Alan instead of Flynn, was because Alan could not get in to work on his project...put bluntly, he was "removed from the system", so to speak, for a time...
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Boingo_Buzzard
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on Tuesday, March, 15, 2005 11:04 PM
You're right Vortex, that is why he said Alan. It was within context of the film up to that point. Remember...we don't even really know who Flynn is at that point.

And Kenusu, very good observation about how that one scene on the carrier is as close as a Dillinger-Flynn confrontation as we get. I never thought of it that way.

Which makes me think... if Flynn can re-construct recognizers, and bring programs back from the dead, could he also have EVIL powers too? Maybe he just chose not to use them?




 
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on Wednesday, March, 16, 2005 3:50 AM
I think MCP was still 'seduced' by his former own-self, which was merely a game Program. I think he experienced much more than a simple "upgrade", his whole structure has been changed, modified, powered-up.

MCP is not a computer. He is a Program/Conscript like Tron or Ram. In the movie he appears like a kind of semi-god, a divine entity, and that's because his electronic "body" lived a metamorphosis.

That's another proof Programs have definitely some unspecified qualities which permit them to bend the electronic realities in order to perform their 'functions'.

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