I don't participate much on these forums, but as a long time Olde Skoole TRONiac from way back, I have to disagree with most of the complaints put forth so far. Mainly because none of us yet knows the quality of the script. The script is going to determine everything. And you can't know if the script sucks until you see the movie, so I am withholding judgement until Christmastime.

As for the 'look' of the new movie...

What other word can be used, besides stunning? No, it's not a carbon copy of the 1982 movie. But after almost 30 years I'd have been disappointed if they went with the 1982 look. It was a fantastic new visual experience... for its time. But in 2010 virtually every major motion picture made incorporates CGI to one degree or another, and there is not much "pioneering" that can be done in that regard.

So it becomes a question of style. And in terms of style, I think the makers of TRON Legacy made the right call. The "style" of the original isn't going to fly with a modern audience, and since this movie is obviously aimed at a general audience -- not just us cult followers and purists -- they have to try to come up with something that will bridge the gap betwen the circuits-and-helmets of the old movie, and the more sophisticated expectations of the modern audience.

And yes, there is a lot of Matrix in this, regarding pseudo-fetish black rubber clothing and whatnot. But it looks gorgeous just the same, and as we see with Kaster and the white-haired Siren, not everyone is walking around in the same duds.

What struck me most is the noir feel of the computer world in 2010. Dark, rainy, lots of shadows, neon... This has noir written all over it. Without knowing much about the plot, I wonder if that's part of the "fallen" reality of the computer world? The one that seems to have "trapped" flynn?

At the end of the old film, part of the denoument was seeing the computer world "light up" again with the destruction of the MCP. Maybe something similar will happen in this movie? Maybe Sam has to rescue his Dad and together they will again try to bring light to this dark, almost sinister place of bread and circuses?

Anyway, I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Purists are welcome to hate this movie before they see it, and I understand why. I just can't go there. I've waited too long for this sequel, and I like the new look too much.

Pretty much mostly agree.

Yeah, I'm one of the few long time fans of the original Tron and I loving all that I see of Tron Legacy. Sure the minimalist quasi-Syd mead-ish body suits jarred me a bit at first, but now that I've seen them in full detail and in the trailer, I think they look pretty awesome.

While I woud of liked them to use a bit more lit-up trace lines/circuit prints,they over all looks quite cool.

See I'm not onlty a gamer geek, and artist, I'm also very gothically inclined and I really appreciate cyber-gothic, industrial goth-punk, and elegant dark neo-victorian style, and quasi-victorian steam punk styles.

So I have no problem with the quasi-Industrial/quasi cyber-punk aesethtics,
though, these have exsisted in the non-mainstream
sub culture of Goth-Punk and "Industrial" since the movie "Blade Runner" and novels like Neuromancer,
so they've been around a long time before there ever was a movie called "The Matrix".

I find it funny people put that up as a comparison, to me the aesthetics look more like something extrapolated and evolved from the futurist visions of Syn Mead, blended with the aesthetics of the artworks of Brom and Masumune Shirow, with touches of some of the visual elements from Stanley Kubricks films like 2001 A Space Oddyssey...

"The Matrix" in many ways borrowed heavily from Tron, Neuromancer, and anime film & graphic novel
" Ghost In The Shell "

In Tron Legacy there's huge differences in the look and nature of the enviroments and it's presentation,

1) there is no green hue filter overlay on everything,

2)the *main characters* are NOT wearing shiny black pvc Trench Coats or psuedo-Oakley sun glasses. No one looks like government agents in 3 piece business suits in the Cyberspace realm itself.

3) NO one in Tron Legacy is packing Uzi's, AK-47's, a big rig Truck, Helicopters..., there are no bullet casings raining down from machine guns. There are no Robot squids, and
no big robo-mech suits.

4) There doesn't seem to be any bullet time effects.

Consider:

"The Matrix" is a psuedo digital reality meant to closely emulate the real world with real-world laws of reality that was created by a race of self-aware machines to enslave human minds. A person's brain is "plugged in" via cybernetic techolgy.

Whereas the cyberspace realm in Tron Legacy is an alternate reality, another dimension that exsists within a computer.
Only by transformation of the both the human body and mind (possibly soul?) from matter into an Energy Form ("digitization") does a person enter into that realm.

Sam (or Flynn) are not merely an "avatar"; that *is them*, their very being, body, mind/soul transformed into energy with a living mind.
They are not a "representation" or facimilie and they are NOT "plugged in", but he is a living being as an Energy Form.

This alternate *dimension* is (unlike the Matrix) not a 99.9% "perfect" emulation of the "real world" with near "perfect" real world laws of reality/phsyics.

In Tron Legacy's cyberspace, things like light cycles break up into what resembles glowing "liquid plasma", and crystalized energy shards and fragments, all of which eventually de-rezzes.... I'm pretty sure bikes in the real world don't do that according to real-world physics...

A Program can hold a Identity Disc that immanates bright hot rippling energy that in the real world would severely burn a man's hand, but the Program's hand is unaffected.

Top-heavy Recongnizers land and stand with the percision and stability of a F-35 jet in this cyberspace realm, where as in the real world with real world laws of physics a vehicle like the Recongnizer would fall over and not be a stable vehicle that could stand unassisted.

The ONLY similarity is that the Programs are, to varient degrees self-aware, and many of the constructs within are made of code. That's it .
But really it's like saying a roller coaster is the same thing as Prias.

Sure they may be made of similar materials and involve similar technology but a roller coaster is a bit different in nature and purpose than a Prias...

So to is the Cyberspace realm in Tron Legacy is fairly different in nature and purpose than "The Matrix."

It is for all of these things I described is why I really wish that some people would drop the claim "it looks like The Matrix". It's too much of an over-simplification in my view.

And Jason.exe don't for get that there are some mac users and Unix/linux out there too. I happen to be one of the few here on TS who are using both the windows and linux/unix environments here as well. And to start a fight either just a little update there so we don't go haywire there.

Jason.exe Wrote:I agree with you Sub-Odeon forthright. We now live in the Vista/7 age. A lot of upgrading would have happened between 1982 and 2010. I have the new tron city on my desktop an it looks great with vista. This film is more for people of the Digital Age.

Oh heavens no hard feelings there at all. Just elevating it in there as well with you there. (Does the cheap imitation of a moonwalk cartoon style.)

Jason.exe Wrote: Compucore Wrote:And Jason.exe don't for get that there are some mac users and Unix/linux out there too. I happen to be one of the few here on TS who are using both the windows and linux/unix environments here as well. And to start a fight either just a little update there so we don't go haywire there. I Know I was simply trying to make a point. I was fully aware that People use the trusty Mac and Linux sytems. No hard feelings, right?