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Kat
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Does Alan know about the Grid?

on Friday, January, 14, 2011 5:43 PM
I got the impression that he doesn't. But surely Flynn would've asked his permission (or indeed perhaps help) to move Tron over from Encom?

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RE: Does Alan know about the Grid?

on Friday, January, 14, 2011 6:07 PM
He doesn't. Else he would have had some inkling of what Kevin was rambling about the night he visited Alan before disappearing. Also, in an IGN "interview", Alan expressed how odd it was that Flynn took to calling him, "TRON" sometimes in the office. He claims he never figured out why Flynn did that.

As for Tron's transferal over to Kevin's Grid, it was probably done without any hullabaloo on company time. I imagine that shortly after setting up the computer in his arcade office, Kevin went back to Encom and, being CEO and all, merely requested that Alan present him with the source code or a copy of the Tron program. Why would Alan suspect anything? People borrow and send programs to one another all the time.

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RE: Does Alan know about the Grid?

on Saturday, January, 15, 2011 1:30 AM
Had Flynn never gotten stuck in The Grid, do you think he'd have eventually told Alan about it and shown it too him? Out of everyone, besides Sam, well and Laura, Alan seems like the most likely to have been shown it.

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RE: Does Alan know about the Grid?

on Saturday, January, 15, 2011 2:48 AM

Yeah I don't think he knew about The Grid.
Only Flynn ever knew since he was sucked into the first grid by the MCP.
Laura and Alan probably never knew about it.

But I think he would've shared The Grid with Alan if he hasn't
got stuck inside it...

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RE: Does Alan know about the Grid?

on Saturday, January, 15, 2011 12:37 PM
I also would be inclined to believe that, until the end of Legacy at least, Alan is unaware of the fact you can go from the Real World to The Grid, or else he would have at least suspected that's where Kevin had disappeared to. In my mind anyway, had he known Alan would have followed Kevin there, if only to investigate the possibility.

That being said, at the end of TRON Kevin says to Lora and Alan: "Greetings, programs!"...based on his demeanour in TRON I'd be inclined to see Kevin as a slightly cocky character who would gladly share such a unique experience. I know I would, even if someone said to me it was "only a dream" or a hallucination, and I'd find a way to show them first hand.

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on Saturday, January, 15, 2011 12:45 PM
Even though Flynn had not yet shown Alan, The Grid, he did tell Alan to sleep with the pager on/by him. According to what Alan tells Sam in Legacy. So he was clearly going to use Alan to help get him out, were he able. Which obviously he wasn't, as it was C.L.U wrangled that away too.

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RE: Does Alan know about the Grid?

on Saturday, January, 15, 2011 2:32 PM
I am sure that this has been mentioned but if the film had taken Tron 2.0 into account he should know about The Grid.

In fact if we think about the first Tron film when Tron contacted Alan via I/O tower he was giving instruction as if to another entitity rather than a simple computer program. So why would he not have known about it then?

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RE: Does Alan know about the Grid?

on Saturday, January, 15, 2011 2:50 PM
Micky24 Wrote:I am sure that this has been mentioned but if the film had taken Tron 2.0 into account he should know about The Grid.

In fact if we think about the first Tron film when Tron contacted Alan via I/O tower he was giving instruction as if to another entitity rather than a simple computer program. So why would he not have known about it then?

Micky

The one flaw I see in your reasoning about Alan communicating with TRON in the first film. What we are shown is the interpretation of communication between Alan and TRON. Remember as a programmer everything Alan does is via a programming language so when he was talking to TRON via the I/O tower, he wasn't specifically talking to TRON like he was having a conversation, he was actually adding lines of code to TRON's program which translated into his disc being equipped with the ability to render the MCP null. Though Alan would know TRON existed, he wouldn't necessarily know that programs are "personified" in the grid and that if he were to meet one face to face, he could talk with it much like it were any other person. What I find so hard about all this is all this time with Flynn and Flynn wouldn't have told him about the Grid?

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RE: Does Alan know about the Grid?

on Saturday, January, 15, 2011 3:12 PM
IsoLine Wrote:
Remember as a programmer everything Alan does is via a programming language so when he was talking to TRON via the I/O tower, he wasn't specifically talking to TRON like he was having a conversation, he was actually adding lines of code to TRON's program which translated into his disc being equipped with the ability to render the MCP null.

Yup. Half-agreed. Like when Flynn was talking to CLU 1. He seemed to be typing away at the computer.

However, I still think that because Flynn interrupted CLU and said "No, buts CLU, those are for users."

But being able to talk through a computer wasn't the most possible thing back then,
because Computer MICS didn't exist for at least 10-14 years after the movie.

Along with the thread, I do not think Alan knew. Like the poster said above about IGN's interview.

EDIT: Just saw the interview to see if I could find new info, and I didn't see them mention anything about Alan being called Tron.

Is there another IGN interview I don't know about?





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RE: Does Alan know about the Grid?

on Saturday, January, 15, 2011 3:54 PM
typicaltronname Wrote:Yup. Half-agreed. Like when Flynn was talking to CLU 1. He seemed to be typing away at the computer.

However, I still think that because Flynn interrupted CLU and said "No, buts CLU, those are for users."

But being able to talk through a computer wasn't the most possible thing back then,
because Computer MICS didn't exist for at least 10-14 years after the movie.

Along with the thread, I do not think Alan knew. Like the poster said above about IGN's interview.

EDIT: Just saw the interview to see if I could find new info, and I didn't see them mention anything about Alan being called Tron.

Is there another IGN interview I don't know about?

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RE: Does Alan know about the Grid?

on Saturday, January, 15, 2011 5:37 PM
Mayorcan Wrote:
typicaltronname Wrote:Yup. Half-agreed. Like when Flynn was talking to CLU 1. He seemed to be typing away at the computer.

However, I still think that because Flynn interrupted CLU and said "No, buts CLU, those are for users."

But being able to talk through a computer wasn't the most possible thing back then,
because Computer MICS didn't exist for at least 10-14 years after the movie.

Along with the thread, I do not think Alan knew. Like the poster said above about IGN's interview.

EDIT: Just saw the interview to see if I could find new info, and I didn't see them mention anything about Alan being called Tron.

Is there another IGN interview I don't know about?

Look for the "unedited" version. It is a little bit longer and has Alan's reminisces about Flynn calling him "TRON".

Found it! Thanks, Mayor
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RE: Does Alan know about the Grid?

on Saturday, January, 15, 2011 7:00 PM
Micky24 Wrote:I am sure that this has been mentioned but if the film had taken Tron 2.0 into account he should know about The Grid.

In fact if we think about the first Tron film when Tron contacted Alan via I/O tower he was giving instruction as if to another entitity rather than a simple computer program. So why would he not have known about it then?

Micky
That is precisely what I would've thought...he would've at least known about Flynn's trip into the Encom computer. I mean, even if he was just typing code, wouldn't he want to know WHY? Sure, someone could've told him he needed to do it to defeat the MCP, but how did he know since Flynn was the only one who could've told him and he obviously wasn't there? How did Flynn explain how he got ahold of the proof of Dillinger's theft?

I can believe he might not've known about the second Grid (otherwise it would've been a no-brainer that that is where Flynn disappeared to), but nothing about the first one?

I mean, obviously there were a lot of logic errors even in the first film, then, that the directors didn't think about, but...

And I mean, come on. Alan creates this program, then doesn't think much about what happens to it later? Obviously at some point the Encom 511 went obsolete, but does that mean every program on it went away too and nothing got saved? Because if Flynn moved Tron over...not copied or made a new version, but upgraded and moved...again, wouldn't it be common courtesy to tell the program's maker, "hey, I'm taking your stuff"? Unless the 511 got old and Flynn was like, 'so, your program" and Alan said "oh, that old thing, let it go" and it was the equivalent of scoring someone's old couch at the curb?

(What is the IGN interview? Is that from the video games, or...?)

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RE: Does Alan know about the Grid?

on Saturday, January, 15, 2011 7:21 PM
Kevin Flynn (In public speech): "In there is a new world, in there is our destiny" Yea, he knows.

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RE: Does Alan know about the Grid?

on Saturday, January, 15, 2011 9:38 PM
Alan1 Wrote:Kevin Flynn (In public speech): "In there is a new world, in there is our destiny" Yea, he knows.
That's the other thing. T:L made it look like Flynn was at least giving some sort of public idea of what he was up to; the news flashback mentions a book he wrote, etc. That would suggest that his work wasn't so hush-hush as you would think. But again, if that was the case, wouldn't Alan totally know that was where he went? Or was it just that he figured "looks like Kevin Flynn ran away to live in his world and didn't want anything to do with the real world anymore, including his kid, might as well let him be"? (I think that was implied in the film by the newscasts anyway, right, that he ran away rather than disappearing due to foul play or whatever?) Which I guess WOULD explain why Alan unquestioningly kept the arcade going and kept carrying the pager, because he thought just maybe Flynn might come back some day (otherwise, really, why would you bother? Especially if it wasn't explained to you that the pager was a "this is in case something happens to me" device?). I guess might also explain why he sent Sam to the arcade rather than going himself, or maybe not.

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RE: Does Alan know about the Grid?

on Sunday, January, 16, 2011 5:40 PM
Kat Wrote:
Alan1 Wrote:Kevin Flynn (In public speech): "In there is a new world, in there is our destiny" Yea, he knows.
That's the other thing. T:L made it look like Flynn was at least giving some sort of public idea of what he was up to; the news flashback mentions a book he wrote, etc. That would suggest that his work wasn't so hush-hush as you would think. But again, if that was the case, wouldn't Alan totally know that was where he went? Or was it just that he figured "looks like Kevin Flynn ran away to live in his world and didn't want anything to do with the real world anymore, including his kid, might as well let him be"? (I think that was implied in the film by the newscasts anyway, right, that he ran away rather than disappearing due to foul play or whatever?) Which I guess WOULD explain why Alan unquestioningly kept the arcade going and kept carrying the pager, because he thought just maybe Flynn might come back some day (otherwise, really, why would you bother? Especially if it wasn't explained to you that the pager was a "this is in case something happens to me" device?). I guess might also explain why he sent Sam to the arcade rather than going himself, or maybe not.

Well the thing is we don't really know what was in the books exactly or how people interpreted it. For all we know, people could have just thought that he was talking about computers in general and how they can help us build a better future, not necessarily physically being inside the computer/ on The Grid.



 
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on Monday, January, 17, 2011 9:35 PM
Also, the news reports mentioned "Flynn's erratic behaviour"; I got the impression that people thought Kevin was losing his grip before he disappeared.

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