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 Posts: 22 | Re: Bye Bye Disney on Thursday, December, 30, 2004 1:05 PM
Ah sorry to hear Dave, But probably for the best in the long run.
Now with that aside. Now all the goodies can come out
1. So do you know if they ever planned a patch/update/expansion/ etc?
2. Now that your out , Are there any game tech stuff we as modders can use to our advantage to make better maps/fix bugs etc?
3. Do you know if the official folks there actually looked/played some of our custom maps etc?
4. Do you have a secret stash of prefabs or the ltc of retail maps  or models?
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 Posts: 4,450 | Re: Bye Bye Disney on Thursday, December, 30, 2004 1:43 PM
We're all here to help each other out no matter. what. Boundaries are non existances here. Whether we're coming from the UK, Canada, Astria, Astrailia, the US, etc. We're all here to help each other out no matter what. And we'll still be here for you. I don't know if the others feel the same way as I do Dave. But thats how I feel about it. I was in the same boat as well for the last three years when I was looking for a job, Going back to school. Many people here without knowing it. Even with you when you were working with Disney there. Gave me hope and the strength to move on and get back into the work force Dave.
Anything is possible and now that you and jan have a plan there to go with. You'll get the cogs going there and everything will fall into place again and you'll be back at 10000% Dave. This much I do know there.
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 Posts: 1,230 | Re: Bye Bye Disney on Thursday, December, 30, 2004 2:35 PM
I sure wish you all the best Dave. You guys sure meant a lot to me while I was unemployed. If I recall correctly didn't you tell me you were training a replacement at Disney about a year ago? Did you change jobs within Disney a year ago or am I just confused? Either way, if there is ANYTHING I can do, don't be afraid to ask.
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 Posts: 5,315 | Re: Bye Bye Disney on Thursday, December, 30, 2004 3:19 PM
Carl,
Right after I started lining that up things changed. The person I reported to and I didn't mix well.
I feel like I tried to do everything I could to meet expectations, but I wasn't going to win. The game was rigged. In a way, I rigged it myself by not wanting to do it anymore.
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 Posts: 2,939 | Re: Bye Bye Disney on Thursday, December, 30, 2004 4:37 PM
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 Posts: 192 | Re: Bye Bye Disney on Thursday, December, 30, 2004 5:24 PM
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 Posts: 4,467 | Re: Bye Bye Disney on Thursday, December, 30, 2004 9:37 PM
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 Posts: 5,315 | Re: Bye Bye Disney on Thursday, December, 30, 2004 10:42 PM
Redrain, thank you. I appreciate that protectiveness. You guys are all great.
However, I think the questions are valid and I owe him a reply.
1. So do you know if they ever planned a patch/update/expansion/ etc?
Yes. There was a plan at one time for an Expansion pack, but the game stiffed in sales. Had it brought in more money, BVG would have made an add-on or second title. One suggestion was to go back and redo the first movie in the game engine.
There will never be an expansion pack for TRON, or a patch, or anything else for the PC simply due to numbers. No money, no extras.
Having said that, let me share my opinions on why it didn't sell.
1. They (BVG) don't really get TRON. Monolith did and built a beautiful game, but BVG Marketing didn't understand it at all and awareness of the game was limited to the fan community and gaming magazines. There were opportunities to put TRON trailers in front of Disney films, never done. The teaser demo on the DVD was too vague about what TRON:Killer App was going to be. Everyone went with sequel film and there was a backlash of a sort when it became clear it was a game, a lot of people wrote it off early. The biggest Marketing pushes anyone saw was the two wall murals in New York and LA (bad ideas) and a bunch of girls appearing in baby-doll t-shirts in LA area malls handing out demos to horny teen boys who were only interested in tits and not TRON. Having collected a lot of the magazines the game appeared in, I can say that the gaming community was not interested in TRON. They were the ones that got the biggest push, and they avoided it for the most part. Best reveiwed game nobody was playing.
2. Fans are not important. Fans are a 'sure thing' and not who your marketing is aimed after. OK, I can buy that, but how about mobilizing the fan base? Instead of opportunistic marketing when Disney screened the film at the El Capitan, why not set up screenings in big cities and promote both the film and the game? When the Nuart in LA showed the film, the only BVG people at the screening were me, Richard Taylor and one of my testers. If we had had demos we would have been killed by fans trying to get ahold of them. Hundreds of fans.
Finally, BVG doesn't really care about the fans. We are idiots to be fleeced for dollars. How do you get those stupid fans to pay for something? They look down on us. You wouldn't believe all of the insensitive comments some of the people at BVG have made not only about me, but about you, the fans.
3. Placement in stores. I love the people in our Sales department. Three of the greatest women I know are in that group. They work hard to do good things. However, it does not escape me that BVG games are never in stores. I have been to dozens of local stores in LA when all of the TRON titles have come out, and frankly, we are not on the shelves! I have yet to physically lay eyes on a copy of TRON GBA in a store, Xbox too (and it's not due to massive sales!). Our old crappy catalog titles are there, but not our big titles. Why? Don't get me started on why Disney stores don't sell Disney products! People can't buy the freaking games if there are no copies available for them to buy. I hear this echoed from across the country by all of you.
2. Now that your out , Are there any game tech stuff we as modders can use to our advantage to make better maps/fix bugs etc?
Sadly, no. I don't have any of that material.
3. Do you know if the official folks there actually looked/played some of our custom maps etc?
The QA team looked at your maps, and we enjoyed them for a while, and then the needs of new games pull us away from that. I can't speak for anyone else.
I think it was hilarious how all the maps went to fan sites because of the incredibly oppressive rules on uploading maps to the official site. Talk about doing in your own game!
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 Posts: 4,467 | Re: Bye Bye Disney on Thursday, December, 30, 2004 11:17 PM

I'm surprised you've decided to fill us in already DT, but thank you for that.
You've confirmed so many of my suspicions . . . it's sad, really. But I won't go into a long diatribe about it, and keep things short.
There will never be an expansion pack for TRON, or a patch, or anything else for the PC simply due to numbers. No money, no extras. |
See, this is what I don't quite get. From what I can tell, Killer App on the Xbox is not doing so hot either. (Price cut in half.) They spent all this money developing an Xbox version, and it's sagging in sales. All they have to do is modify it a bit, and they'll have themselves a PC Expansion that can recoup more of the investment they made. I'd say 90% of the work is done already, and only about 10% will be required to port it back to the PC.
So why not do it? There is another money making opportunity here. But I guess they just don't see it that way, based on what you've written.
By the way, if you want a great example of how BVG doesn't get TRON, take a look at the helmets on the characters in the XBOX game. Stupid idea. All I can figure is someone liked the idea 'let's look just like Halo!'. |
That, and the crap-tac-ular music they added.
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 Posts: 4,450 | Re: Bye Bye Disney on Thursday, December, 30, 2004 11:24 PM
Hey dave. It would have been intersting to see the source ocde even if it went under the open source concept that is out there like for linux and what Sun microsystem is doing with Solaris 10. If they did that. We would have a hey day with it. And probably make make it a lot better too. Even though They have done a good jobso far as from what I was told through word of mouth over here in Tron-sector.
I think we do have have some good programmers here and some newbies like myself who would love to tackle it over here. And I am sure that some of the artists that we have here would have a great hey day as well for add ins for the game too.
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 Posts: 5,315 | Re: Bye Bye Disney on Thursday, December, 30, 2004 11:32 PM
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 Posts: 5,315 | Re: Bye Bye Disney on Thursday, December, 30, 2004 11:34 PM
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 Posts: 3,488 | Re: Bye Bye Disney on Friday, December, 31, 2004 2:11 AM
That's disappointing about no expansion.
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 Posts: 2,232 | Re: Bye Bye Disney on Friday, December, 31, 2004 4:16 AM
I was going to say "Sorry to hear about your 'parting of the ways' with BVG", but from what I've read, it unfortunately seems to be for the best.
I really have to say I'm actually somewhat hurt (but not surprized) by the fact that the BVG people actually regard you, me and everybody else here as an idiot fan to be milked for cash.
It appears that the basic love of storytelling through art which drove Walt Disney and his amazing creative team has been completely forgotten. Most likely, the only thing driving BVG now is the all-encompassing, very short-sighted and all too common need to placate the stockholders.
Somewhat off topic:
I say screw the stockholders. Stocks aren't a guaranteed investment, they are a risk. If you make a great product and rake in the cash, then the stockholders benefit. If not, them's the breaks. But stockholders should never be allowed to dictate the direction of a company.
Back on topic:
I'm really sorry to find out that there won't be an expansion pack for TRON 2.0, especially now that I know that redoing the movie was being considered. How cool that could've been!
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