SuperScooby Wrote:When your unit does the happy rings of death dance, you can just....be happy with the refurb units they send to replace it.

Back at ya:

http://gamejonezblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/ps3-red-ring-of-death.html
http://www.product-reviews.net/2008/08/05/sony-ps3-no-disc-read-issue-is-the-real-deal/
Like I said, both systems have dark clouds hanging over head.
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SuperScooby Wrote:if you have only a 360 purchased in the past couple of years, you may not be watching on the 360 with the great HD DVD player that comes as an option for the 360.

I'm not interested in either format. Intangible media is the future. Blu-Ray and HD DVD only exist(ed) as a last ditch effort on the part of studios to resell the same movies to us a second, third, or even fourth time. Subsequently, I never bothered with the HD attachment on the 360 and spared myself the unnecessary expense. That was the benefit of the HD player being sold as a separate unit.

I'm not particularly passionate about the 360. No more so than I am the PS3 or the Wii. I am much more interested in the software the machines run. I think I made that clear from the onset. I simply think that your assessment ("the xbox360 is junk") is not correct. When you present something contentious as fact, you can generally expect to see it challenged. The system has many good qualities. It also has some bad ones. Just like the PS3. Sure, your mileage may vary. In the end, time (and the perspective it brings) will give a more definitive answer to the console debate.

If you're getting a PS3, I recommend Resistance: Fall of Man.

As for the link, it means nothing. Not meaning to sound cynical, but you asked for the opinions of anyone with a knowledge of Amazon's inner workings. In all probability, the placeholder is legitimate, in the sense that a Disney sub-company is responsible. But items get listed in this manner and then pulled all the time. Even if a release date were listed, there would be no guarantee.

I do expect the eventual release of the film on Blu-Ray. But as to when, only time will tell.

Regarding LurkingHorror's previous post regarding fanboyism:

Aggreed, I really don't like fanboy rants, and I hate it even more when I have a semi-rare uncontrollable fanboy outrage, lol. When it comes to video games and fanboy rants, I have a very good sense of humor. I own a Wii, and last gen I owned a Gamecube, therefore, most people would automatically call me a Nintendo fanboy. The thing though, is that I watch and enjoy all of the E3 Press Conferences, I don't go around calling anyone who doesn't own a Wii a "failure at life", and so on.

To say the least, it's the 1990's all over again:

Nintendo Power propaganda film (bashing Sony and Sega):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3oGylkA2S4
Sega Genesis ad (Bashing Super Nintendo):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K03fQKkN7VI
Sega Saturn ad (Bashing Playstation):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npv3JbbIkeQ
Sega Genesis/CD/32X ads (Bashes Nintendo sometimes):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEESjUQPhws
Note: The next to last vid may cause some confusion. Wondering what it is under that blanket? It's a Super Nintendo. And yes, they throw it into a cremation chamber at the end.

I could find a ton more, but oh well. Just go to retrojunk.com and look up videogames there. You will get nostalgia chills I swear.

Lurkinghorror would know even better than I do what the situation is with Disney employees. But based on what limited contact I've had with them, and what I've heard: as a rule, generally, they don't pay attention to the fan base and don't get involved.

The odd employee might pop in here and take a peek at what we have to say, but they'll never reply. Exceptions to that rule, are probably the key figures producing the Tron sequel. Like Steven Lisberger, Joseph Kosinski, and so on. I'm sure they are (or someone is, for them) actively keeping an eye on us. But don't expect a reply for some time.

For example, I understand that the Disney Imagineers used to pay attention to what people thought about the resort. They'd actively go out on the internet and ask people's opinions. But they received so much heartache for their trouble, that they stopped. Instead of constructive criticism, they heard a lot of bitching. So that was the end of it. I wouldn't be surprised if that experience probably affected the company's employee policy about contact with fans, as a whole.

And like Lurkinghorror already pointed out, they have to be careful what they say. If they reveal something they're not supposed to, they could be out of a job tomorrow. So best just not to say anything at all, rather than take the risk.

TronFAQ Wrote:But they received so much heartache for their trouble, that they stopped. Instead of constructive criticism, they heard a lot of bitching. So that was the end of it. I wouldn't be surprised if that experience probably affected the company's employee policy about contact with fans, as a whole. And like Lurkinghorror already pointed out, they have to be careful what they say. If they reveal something they're not supposed to, they could be out of a job tomorrow. So best just not to say anything at all, rather than take the risk.

Same goes with any celeberty/big figure on a typical forum. I remember when Steve Oimette (he's responsible for the super awesome heavy-metal remix of "The Devil Went Down to Georgia" and "We Three Kings" in Guitar Hero 3) joined the Guitar Hero forums, he was literally overwhelmed with responses in the thread that he used to introduce himself in. However, Tron-Sector is different. If it were like any other forum, we would see little to no posts from LurkingHorror or jMaynard for the same exact reasons.

See what I mean? Sorta? Ouch, headache.

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Deadly Disks Wrote:I love my 360, but it has not come without it’s problems. I’ve had two die.

Consider yourself lucky if you have only had 2 die so far.

You may want to read up before your 3rd 360 bites the dust:

http://venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/xbox-360-defects-an-inside-history-of-microsofts-video-game-console-woes/
It is a very good read for anyone who wants to know more about the 360 qc issues. It's a long read, 6 very long-slow loading pages, but once you read it, you will have complete understanding of the 360 fiasco, and a little better understanding of why many people become very frustrated with the 360.

Anyway, I haven't found much more info on the Tron bluray disc yet. Called Amazon, Disney, and a few other places. They are keeping the release date very secret for now unfortunately.

If anyone has any info, please let us know.

Sometimes I wish they were required to post the release dates when they add the templates to Amazon.com, etc., but at least it's better than nothing.... I think.



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