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Ok, so, at the last San Diego Comic Con 2009,
hundreds if not a few thousands of Comic Con attendees could not get into Hall H to see the Disney 3-D Presentation which included a panel on Tron Legacy.

This was due to some roughly 5900+ Twilight Fans (500 of which camped outside of Hall H overnight and held "places in line" for 6-8 or more people per "camp" which really really added up and became a few thousand.

Even though in the Information book on SDCC it said that camping outside Hall H was not permitted the hired Security did nothing at all,
they never made the over-zealous Twilight campers leave and they never told that they could not start lining up until 6 am the next day like they were supposed to do.

These people clogged the lines into Hall H and filled the place up for the Twilight New Moon panel that was to be held *after* the Disney 3-D Panel. >_<

So the 4000+ people in line outside could *not get in to see the Disney Presentation with panels on Alice in Wonder Land by Tim Burton, or the Tron Legacy panel.

That was over 4000 people that missed seeing or hearing anything about Tron Legacy.

These 5900 Twilight Fans don't know what the frakkin' heck Tron is, and obviously don't "get" what it's all about, and it was obvious in their barely excited at all reactions that these obssesed Twilight fans don't care about the Tron movies at all. It was dispicable in my view.

So I found this petition and I agree with it's points. Please read it, and for the sake of all sci-fi fans and fans of TRON down here in California and those that come from out of state to attend SD Comic Con;
and that will want to see whatever presentation about Tron Legacy that there may be at San Diego Comic Con 2010.
Please I emplore that you sign this petition.

http://www.petitiononline.com/54v35dcc/petition.html

So please, please sign that petition then! >_<;

Signed as well even though I did not attend Comic Con.

I really do think that this should have been handled better because it seems that a good amount of Twilight fans are setting a very bad example.

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It's a difficult thing to enforce. One: There's no way ComicCon can afford the amount of security required to forcibly remove almost 6000 people. Two: It's impossible to prove which people are in line for what event. Whether they are waiting for the one about to start or waiting for one several hours away.

In my opinion, the solution is simple. If it isn't comics, it shouldn't be there. That includes Tron. I see these people protesting with their signs, and I wonder how many of them are there for the comics.

Unless ComicCon reverts to what it was (a comics show - and that will never happen), Twilight is an appropriate thing to feature. It's fan driven pop culture. I don't like it... but then, I don't like the fact that I can't walk ten feet without tripping over a Stormtrooper or a damn toy lightsaber. I think about the comics panel I was on several years ago that was crowded out by the Klingons hedging in for their Klingon dialect panel that would follow. Hundreds of Klingons, pushing out comics fans. No better than this Twilight issue.

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It's the insufficiant way that the managment of Comic Con handles things that's major part of the problem.

They set a rule and put it in print that says "no camping out outside of Hall H" So they should enforce it.
When the campers number only 12-20 ppl at 11:30 pm on "preview night" Security should handle things accordingly.

Second is the poor scheduling.

A Twilight panel or some major "big hype" panel should be scheduled *first*,
and so the huge crowd that goes to it that may not want to see the "Lionsgate Films" or "Tron Legacy" panel for example will depart and free up a lot of seats.

With some better thought out and planned scheduling, and more efficient Security, things would go a lot more smoothly. Caping the sales of badges to 90 thousand instead of 128,000 would greatly help to in my opinion.

I do agree that Comic Con should be mainly about comics, but it's also been about sci-fi and fantasy stuff too. Tween/Teen Romance movies is *not* what Comic Con is about.

Yes Twilight has sissy vamps that sparkle in the sun and teen beefcake werewolf boys. However IMO the book is practically not very "fantasy" or "sci-fi" much at all.

At least Star Wars and Star Trek have a long legacy that is intwined with comics. They at least "fit" Comic Con.

All I'm saying is mainly, things should just be handled better.

lurkinghorror Wrote:Loud opinions don't equate to correct opinions.

That doesn't change the fact either.

It seems that the primary reason is that Twilight is viewed as inappropriate material. Certainly the problems it brings in it's wake are nothing new. So why the vehement reaction? Because it appeals to 13 year old fangirls rather than 13 year old fanboys? Because it has a romantic facet? No one here should be in a position to dictate what does or does not constitute appropriate nerd culture.

That doesn't mean it didn't suck for possibly thousands of fans who wanted to see the panel.

This is a Tron forum, and in my opinion - I can say without having been there once, that if I went through the trouble to show up and be at the event, I wouldn't be there next time if I know the circus is coming to town, and clowns take over hall H. Why? Because. It's a choice.

Signed.

ShadowDragon1 Wrote:If the hugely "popular" panels like Twilight are scheduled first and then have the "less hyped" panels afterword thing would go a bit more smoothly; Now, if Security were to actually follow through on what the set rules were on camping out overnight (which say it's not allowed),then things wouldn't be so troublesome and nerve-wracking. When there's only 20-30 ppl, they should not be allowed to stay there. There should be a notice with info on the SDCC website saying "For reasons of safty and to comply with no loitering laws, camping outside of Hall H is disallowed and prohibited. This rule *will* be enforced by security" Improvements to scheduling, to policy/rule enforcement, and lowering the cap on badge sales to a more reasonable (for less Fire Marshal attracting & a less fire hazzard raising crowd congestion) 90 thousand badges. One thing I think that might remedy alot is a new, seperate "Media Con." Have all the huge hollywood movie stuff there, so Comics, Sci-fi & fantasy art and film will be the focus of San Diego COMIC con again, not big budget glitz of the WB, ABC, Paramount and Universal.... The people protesting are more due to bad scheduling and poor handling of things at Comic Con with regards to how Hall H was managed. So it's not entirely about people that hate/dislike "Twilight" that's only one small facet of things.

The scheduling of major panels involve alot of facets. Like guest availability.

If we're talking 20-30 people. while annoying and certainly something security can tackle, it's such a small number that it really isn't the problem. When we're talking thousands of people, it becomes a much larger security issue. And not one easy to dismiss.

The current number of badges sold IS reduced. For alot of the reasons you mention.

While I would personally love to see the show split as you suggest, it will never really happen.

I don't agree with the argument that this is primarily about scheduling and management. It might be for you, but we're talking about the complaints overall.

Again, this problem is not unique. It's been an issue for years. Why is it acceptable when it's a Joss Whedon panel or a Sam Jackson booth, but not when it's Twilight? The answer can be found within the petition itself:

"...The Twilight series does not belong at SDCC."

"The entire series focuses on romance and isn't suitable to take a place in SDCC. "




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Jademz Wrote:So, your opinion is that Comic-Con can't afford to manage events..

Interesting way to put words in my mouth. I stated that forcibly removing a crowd of impassioned fans would take more security than is readily affordable. ComicCon does manage it's events. And one of the way you manage events is by not sparking a wildfire.

Jademz Wrote:If you think that's impossible, that's your opinion. your explination is no less loud than mine, so don't try to spiff it up when Comic-Con's rules are useless, and there's every excuse in the book for people to camp through each venue. You know what? There's a way to do it.

Excuse me? I never claimed you were being "loud". Context is important. The "loud opinions" I referred to were quite clear those actively picketing. Were you one of them? No? Then don't act defensive about a comment that was never directed at you.

Jademz Wrote:"How can I declare that a fact in your book?" Who cares.

Who are you quoting? No one, it seems.

Jademz Wrote:Am I correct in assuming you didn't go to see this particular comic-con event for Tron Legacy w/o priveleges other than general admission(if any)? Or did you see it w/o a problem?

I had no interest in seeing it. Panels that typically have several thousand people in attendance are a headache under the best of circumstances. ComicCon and it's crowds are never the best of circumstances, regardless of what fans are waiting in line.

Jademz Wrote:Am I correct to assume you wouldn't be upset enough to sign a petition if you didn't stand a chance at getting in?

You speak under a presumption that I hold some special privileges. Nope.

So would I sign a petition that specifically seeks to dictate what constitutes a proper fan and what does not? Never. That is a wholly outrageous argument. And it's also a dangerous one.

Jademz Wrote:You disagree, but you aren't the rest of us who will.

So what? This is an open forum and I happen to disagree with specific sentiments expressed here. I never said you shouldn't sign a petition. Are you trying to control what I say and where I say it? Seems like.

Jademz Wrote:I'm not making an argument about it, I'm making a statement on behalf of people who think there's a way to get into the event.. You argue because you can. So what makes you correct?

Why don't you tell me what makes me incorrect? I never said that the event couldn't be better organized. In fact, I stated the opposite. Where I take issue is the singling out of Twilight fans. The statement made specifically in the petition that they do not belong at ComicCon. You want me to prove that my opinion is right? Easiest thing ever. Those fans paid admission. They have every right to be there and you cannot reasonably argue otherwise because you are not the arbiter of what is and is not properly ComicCon.

Jademz Wrote:So you can understand the rules, but when did a Tron fan ever ruin a Comic-Con?

Relevance?

Jademz Wrote:Yes I do say there's a way to manage the event. pay to play.

And people already pay.