Meatsack
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Posts: 164 | Re: Sam Flynn: program WITHOUT A SUIT?
on Tuesday, August, 03, 2010 9:57 AM
I'm going to go with the "It's Kevin's system, it's Kevin's rules" philosophy.
Encom's server had it's style, Kevin's backroom server has it's own style.
They are completely separate systems.
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doctorclu
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Posts: 206 | Re: Sam Flynn: program WITHOUT A SUIT?
on Sunday, August, 08, 2010 6:08 PM
Well, my take on what you just said, it was the old encom system, which was probably replaced by Encom, and Flynn wanted to keep running because he knew of all the "life" and worlds in there. Maybe at first it was to keep TRON and Yori going, but that was years ago. Many lifetimes have passed, and yet he knows of the life there. So he took the old Encom system when it was being junked, took it to his arcade, and kept it running seperate from the rest of the internet world.
Now since he has been running it (obviously it was pre-windows because the system has been running non-stop since 1989) and under the administration of Kevin, things would tend to show more his style.
As for when Sam shows up in the new system with his regular clothes, I have to say I a bit disappointed that the system has taken more shades of Bladerunner look. Oh well. TRON is TRON.
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IsoLine
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Posts: 1,025 | Re: Sam Flynn: program WITHOUT A SUIT?
on Sunday, August, 08, 2010 7:26 PM
Compucore Wrote:I would think it would have been the opposite with the matrix. They ripped off kind of the tron thing there. But I think there was one scene where there was two ladies dressed up in Tron that were data pushers that had a full set of hair in there so it was not only in the delete scene. There was both of them that had both. And not to be embarassed about it. We`re all human. Remember the murphy`s law. To error is human to really foul up requires a computer. So all is forgiven Kia.
I didn`t even think twice about that one with jet in the game itself. I may of considered it would have been something to distingish him from the regular programs as a user or from another system outside of the encom computer system.
KiaPurity Wrote:That may be correct, but I did state my concerns;
1) too cheesy
2) dumb people claiming that it's ripping off Matrix (lol WHAT, no you.)
But that comment is right-- WE DID FORGET ABOUT THE REMOVED SCENE! I feel dumb now. *embarrassed*
But there was similiar wankery back in the time of Tron 2.0 people were complaining about Jet having hair but I was actually quite okay with that. (And of course, the siren in Tron and the deleted scene were proof that programs could waltz around with hair, but it seemed to be uncommon at that point.)
So now I feel *a lot* better (and a little silly for having forgotten the removed scene.) |
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I look at it this way. The Matrix was based on computer technology that at least according to the movies and the animatrix collection is derived from mid to late 21st century AI technology. By the time we get to the current NEO and gang its the late 22nd century (2199 but maybe much further in the future if adding in all six incarnations) so the state of the computer world is not only an order of intelligence ten times more liberated than the programs of TRON but able to interface with the human mind (the fastest computer in history if brought down to a mechanical basis). Everything could be photoreal and autonomus. So basically the MATRIX is an Encom-like system. The agents are the recognizers serving the heirarchy of 01 (the computer city) and ersatz MCP. Neo and the majority of plugged in citizens of Zion not only served as power sources for the MCP/01 but were programs inside much like TRON (Who in the matrix is Morpheous) Flynn would be analagous to NEO as he is the instrument of the hero's salvation of the system/humanity. Essentially the MATRIX is TRON projected into a hellish far future when the artifical intellegence of machines not only has surpassed the level of mania found in TRON but wish to absorb the world of the USERS by interfacing directly with humans.
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ShadowDragon1
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Posts: 2,056 | Re: Sam Flynn: program WITHOUT A SUIT?
on Sunday, August, 08, 2010 9:07 PM
The Matrix ripped many of it's concepts and ideas from Tron, Ghost in the Shell, and Hindu lore and Zen Buddhism. Early Science Fiction and Tron expressed the concepts of AI, cyberspace and digital entities with their own mind and emotions LONG before "The Matrix"
What I and others mean when we say "Tron Legacy does *not* look like 'The Matrix' we are refering to style, design, expression of concepts. In TL the Programs in cyberspace are *not* wearing 3 piece business suits w/ tie, or PVC trench coats weilding AK-47's Uzi's, helicopters, motorcyles (light cycles do not look like any real world motor cycles).
The Matrix is a persistant simulation of the late 90's, Tron
Cyberspace is it's own stylized, metaphysical-digital REALM, a manifestation of code and energy at a microcosmic level, while it does flows and fuctions across plain of circuit traces, cpu's and such it is more akin to "Wonderland" or "Oz" in a metaphysical capacity.
A User in TRON isn't "pluged in" via some shiney metal spike into an implant.
It's a kind of frakkin quantum entanglment digitization laser converts the person into pure energy i.e. a construct of code, but one with a actual living HUMAN mind at it's core. The SOUL made CODE. In the spiritual sense that is mind boggling.
Neo body isn't digitized... a PART of his mind interacts with simulation in The Matrix, but his body is still in the "real world". If you sever the connection prematurely, the brain dies. If a User in TRON cyberspace is wounded or dies, their energy become electrons spread across the circuits of a mother board... no trace of body in the real world, the the User... just sub atomic particals spead across the microcosmos... poof.
"Jacking in" into The Matrix is sort of like digital astral projection, which is not the same as having one's mind and body physically *transformed* into digital code i.e. energy.
Neo's entirety of his mind or rather soul *didn't* become pure energy until the very end, by becomeing one with "The Source".
Flynn, or Sam are NOT "jacking in" or "plugging in" they are transformed into unique digital entities with a live human consciousness, A living soul as code in a strange world, a dimensional realm shaped by not just by Flynn's programming, but by his very mind as well, that world and his doppleganger "Clu 2.0" are digital reflections of Flynn's ego, id, and shadow, made manifest in a unique microcosmic cyberspace realm.
Again, in TL there are *no* machine guns, no trench coats, no business suits, no helicopters, no wire-fu, The Matrix is a stylized late 90's modern day look with real world buildings, freeways, and eveything has a bit of a green hue and looks mostly like "the real world".
Tron Legacy's cyberspace does not really look like anything one could find in the real world per se. It has an pretty distinct "otherworld" look to it, somewhat familiar but with an aspect of surrealism is still there.
or for tl;dr version:
Other than a few similar cyber techy concepts and bits of symbology, and a few tenuous parrallel elements,
Tron Legacy is really NOT "like The Matrix".
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EXODUS
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Posts: 573 | RE: Sam Flynn: program WITHOUT A SUIT?
on Sunday, January, 23, 2011 2:51 PM
My theory is this.
Basically, computers have become considebly more powerful enough to take this on board, and by that I mean that computers can now do things that 30 years ago scientists would have thought almost impossible.
Ironically, the actual graphics of the first film are a good example of this. When you look at them their very bright, very colourful, with simple geometric designs, and the reason for that was because that was the limit of computor technology in 1982.
Go forward 28 years to now days, and we've now got computers that are probably 10 TIMES more powerful then their predecessors in 1982, not just the actual power but also Memory Space, Speed, etc, which means that todays computers can now store up to 10 TIMES more 'information'/data then before.
E.g, if Flynn was transformed into a program in 1982, it would take up, for example, 10 MB.
If using the x10 principle mentioned above, then nowdays Sam would now be able take up to 100 MB in the system, and all that addition 'data' could now be used not just to convert his body but also his clothes has well into program.
In other words, when Flynn was beamed in in 1982, the computer didn't have enough power to convert both his body AND his clothes, so 'simplified' it by giving him a 'computer costume' instead, but computers have much bigger memories now so that they can convert both Sam's body AND clothes has well easily.
I Hope that makes sense to everyone.
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