IluthraDanar Wrote: Kat Wrote: rimwall Wrote: IluthraDanar Wrote: Kat Wrote: IluthraDanar Wrote:What, no faith in the programming of Kevin's pride and joy? DId Clu have such a limited range of knowledge, he couldn't answer a few simple questions? I would hope not! Clu can't know everything. If, for example, they asked something like "A Siberian Husky is a type of: A. dog B. cat C. horse D. houseplant" would he really know? Would he even know what a dog/cat/horse/houseplant are? I mean, I'm sure he knows some about the real world, but probably not small trivia that humans absorb just by being IN the world... If you knew someone from Mars, they'd probably tell you the basics, but not necessarily the little stuff that they take for granted... which is what these questions are usually formed of. Oh, I just figured anything Flynn knew, Clu would know as well. wouldn't that imply that they have the same memories? technically that should mean that clu would have to love sam as a son. i just had this weird story twist where clu was the real flynn and flynn was really clu. they were so much alike that the two got switched somehow Technically it would mean Clu probably knows what Lora looks like naked. Just sayin'. Besides, if it were true that programs know what their users know, Tron and Yori would already know what kissing is, right? So Flynn merely programmed what he felt Clu would need to know before he came back onto the Grid and created him. "Cooking, no. Painting, no. Global domination, ok. Sex, no....." and so on....

i've often wondered how flynn gave updated instructions to clu.
via keyboard or verbal or both.

which instructions are given precedence by the program in case of conflicting
directives? the verbal one or the one added via change in code?

does clu differentiate between instruction built into
his code and instructions given verbally.

can a program choose to refuse to follow instructions built into it's code?
or can program choose to refuse just verbal instructions.

are user-given-verbal-instructions classified as open-for-interpretation
instructions?

from the conversations between flynn and yori (in the holding cells) it looks
like programs can choose to ignore user request given verbally.

how does original code manifest? is it like a compulsion?
ram's description of his work seems to indicate that it
is the sort of work that makes him happy. a happy compulsion?

it also seems like flynn himself does not recognize the
difference between instructions given in programming code
and instructions given verbally. (in terms of which takes precedence)

rimwall Wrote: IluthraDanar Wrote: Kat Wrote: rimwall Wrote: IluthraDanar Wrote: Kat Wrote: IluthraDanar Wrote:What, no faith in the programming of Kevin's pride and joy? DId Clu have such a limited range of knowledge, he couldn't answer a few simple questions? I would hope not! Clu can't know everything. If, for example, they asked something like "A Siberian Husky is a type of: A. dog B. cat C. horse D. houseplant" would he really know? Would he even know what a dog/cat/horse/houseplant are? I mean, I'm sure he knows some about the real world, but probably not small trivia that humans absorb just by being IN the world... If you knew someone from Mars, they'd probably tell you the basics, but not necessarily the little stuff that they take for granted... which is what these questions are usually formed of. Oh, I just figured anything Flynn knew, Clu would know as well. wouldn't that imply that they have the same memories? technically that should mean that clu would have to love sam as a son. i just had this weird story twist where clu was the real flynn and flynn was really clu. they were so much alike that the two got switched somehow Technically it would mean Clu probably knows what Lora looks like naked. Just sayin'. Besides, if it were true that programs know what their users know, Tron and Yori would already know what kissing is, right? So Flynn merely programmed what he felt Clu would need to know before he came back onto the Grid and created him. "Cooking, no. Painting, no. Global domination, ok. Sex, no....." and so on.... i've often wondered how flynn gave updated instructions to clu. via keyboard or verbal or both. which instructions are given precedence by the program in case of conflicting directives? the verbal one or the one added via change in code? does clu differentiate between instruction built into his code and instructions given verbally. can a program choose to refuse to follow instructions built into it's code? or can program choose to refuse just verbal instructions. are user-given-verbal-instructions classified as open-for-interpretation instructions? from the conversations between flynn and yori (in the holding cells) it looks like programs can choose to ignore user request given verbally. how does original code manifest? is it like a compulsion? ram's description of his work seems to indicate that it is the sort of work that makes him happy. a happy compulsion? it also seems like flynn himself does not recognize the difference between instructions given in programming code and instructions given verbally. (in terms of which takes precedence)

I had always assumed that -- that Flynn programmed Clu with all his knowledge and information hence "codified likeness" :-) I also would certainly hope that Clu could answer simple questions -- how could he not if he is our leader and beacon ;-)

About commands: I would think a keyed command from the keyboard would be more blunt and absolute while verbal commands are more open to interpretation. However the subject of "perfection" is quite up for interpretation in either form.

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ShadowSpark Wrote: rimwall Wrote: ShadowSpark Wrote: *applauds* So you're a LotR fan too, huh? I'm glad I'm not the only one on this site who appreciates the classics. Do you like the books or the movies better? movie fan. i haven't read the books. You should, they're good books.

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*is unable to read binary* Can you translate that one for us?

ShadowSpark Wrote: .hollow Wrote: ShadowSpark Wrote: basserandstuff Wrote: Okay, I like this one. If the argument starts up, will someone have to speak in binary to get them to stop? Here ya go, we can call this a preemptive strike :: 01101000 01100001 01110100 01100101 01110010 01110011 00100000 01100111 01110101 01101110 01101110 01100001 00100000 01101000 01100001 01110100 01100101 I love that one though! Nice work! *is unable to read binary* Can you translate that one for us?

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they found mickey on a microchip
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http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/creatures/pages/mickey.html

This unique version of Mickey Mouse with his hands pointing to 12 and 7 (creating a miniature silicon clock fixed in time) was found on the Mostek 5017 alarm clock integrated circuit. We were alerted to this creature by Eric Putnam of Kirkland, Washington who also loaned us a copy of the integrated circuit for photomicrography. David DiGiacomo of Adobe has informed us that the Mostek 5017 chip has the capability of displaying the time with an alarm output feature as well. These chips were useful in table clocks, clock radios, and other appliances that featured clocks in the early 1970s