Tron3 is on!! According to Disney, Bruce Boxleitner, Jeff Bridges & everyone else asked. The animated series ties the original film to Legacy & also ties Legacy to the next film. We're definitely getting T3 folks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml4FHeFRXdQ

Same story from all involved, looks very good for T3!!

Kaisergrendel Wrote:Funny, how apparent age matters more than actual age. Quorra is easily hundreds of years older than Sam. Edward Cullen is over a hundred years old but nobody cares he's dating a minor because he's fresh faced. .

Actually, that always kind of freaked me out. And I've wondered before if there might not be the same problem with user/program relationships (of any stripe, really, romantic or otherwise... it's got to be hard to friends with someone who feels like they're hundreds of "years" older than you are as well. And, of course, what are the implications for a user who spends a lot of time in the Grid and may feel like they've lived for "years" more than they would've if they'd just spent their entire life in the real world only-- would they be more mature/wise/whatever?). I had a scene in one of my stories where one of my characters asks Alan how old he thinks Tron is (though in this story, which takes place after T:L, Sam made a new Grid with a new version of Tron). Alan has to think about it (I just arbitrarily came up with dates for installation and such).

“Well, I’m not sure how you might count age. I mean, I finished and installed the first version in March of ’82, so if you count that way, he’s a little older than Sam. But this particular version was installed in January of ’11, so if you count that way, he's just over a year old. Or maybe you’d count by cycles and how long it seems to him, in which case he's like the equivalent of about 55 years old. Or would we say he’s the age he appears, in which case he’d be the age I was when he was finished and installed, which was 32. I guess you can choose the answer you like best?”

I dont see why the worries and the need of official confirmation.
Its really obvious there will be more movies. To me at least.

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I just couldn't resist commenting on this. If you saw or read Lord of the rings than you know Aragorn married Arwen, an immortal elf who was hundreds of years older!

Kat Wrote:I dunno. I am not sure I see any reason why Q would NOT age. She acquired a human body; why would she not be subject to basic biological processes like cell degeneration?

Right. How do we know she's in a human body?

Kat Wrote:I never saw Flynn healing her in the Grid as a statement that all programs wouldn't function the same way-- why would you NOT be able to repair a program from in the Grid just as you could from outside it?

Flynn didn't repair Quorra in a sense - all he did was remove damaged code, and Quorra regenerated the lost information. As far as I know, very few, if any, programs can do anything analogous to this without having a backup image stored elsewhere on the system.order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pill

Kaisergrendel Wrote: Kat Wrote:I dunno. I am not sure I see any reason why Q would NOT age. She acquired a human body; why would she not be subject to basic biological processes like cell degeneration? Right. How do we know she's in a human body?

What else would she be in? Especially since it's argued that the whole reason she can come to the real world in the first place is because she was created from Flynn's matter stored in the laser.

I think they'd be carrying it a bit far if they tried to suggest she was some sort of bionic woman or something.

Kaisergrendel Wrote: Kat Wrote:I never saw Flynn healing her in the Grid as a statement that all programs wouldn't function the same way-- why would you NOT be able to repair a program from in the Grid just as you could from outside it? Flynn didn't repair Quorra in a sense - all he did was remove damaged code, and Quorra regenerated the lost information. As far as I know, very few, if any, programs can do anything analogous to this without having a backup image stored elsewhere on the system.

One thing that bugs me about this is that it seems to me that he wouldn't remove a bad bit of code to recreate an arm that had been lost, but patch code that had been damaged (that is, whatever in her code that represented an arm had been damaged/removed). So I'm not sure what to think of this in the first place.

Still, I would think if, say, Tron had an arm off (surely he'd insist 'twas just a flesh wound ), Alan could patch whatever was damaged in his code and he'd get his arm back. I don't imagine anyone could spontaneously regenerate damaged code-- even Quorra-- but I would think a fix in code would result in the body repairing itself (either slowly as shown, or the new appendage/uninjured area would simply reappear).


One thing I've always wondered is what happens when a user is injured? Would they heal themselves the same way they would in the real world, or would they also require some sort of code patch (and/or COULD they do some sort of code patch to heal an injury right away rather than waiting for the natural amount of time it takes to heal, if that *were* possible in-Grid?)?

Nice video with Cindy and Bruce. I don't know what it is, but it seems they really care about their fans (unlike a lot of the big shot Hollywood actors that seem miserable on the red carpet and never want to interact with fans).

Abraxas V Wrote:I can't see how Uprising will be tied to any film. The story involves a program being trained as the next Tron. In the series Tron is alive after Clu's corruption and actively fights him on the grid. That makes no sense considering Clu derezzed Tron the moment his rebellion was announced.

CLU didn't derez TRON. CLU damaged him and reprogrammed him to become Rinzler. It could be possible for a couple of cycles, the Rinzler programming didn't take until CLU found out that TRON was training another program and trying to sew a rebeliion, and ended up reprogramming TRON again to make sure the programming for Rinzler stuck the second time around.

RenegadeProgram Wrote:1)PLEASE, OH PLEASE have Lora/Yori involved in Tron 3, and DON'T KILL HER OFF;

Lora, Yori or a film version of Ma3a (with backstory altered to accommodate a living Lora of course. Seriously, why not?)

2) Have Dillinger Jr., Sam, Quorra, Tron, and the MCP2 fight it out inside the new ENCOM server;

Or have TRON and MCP2 duking it out in the Encom servers while Sam, Quorra, the Bradleys and Encom fight Dillenger Jr and Dillenger Systems from the outside.

3) Include Roy "RAM" Kleinberg in the story outside of the promo clip on the Blu Ray that was a part of the ARG game;

And possibly an updated RAM program somewhere inside the system.

4)Make the design aesthetic a mix of the old '82 TRON (the rotoscoping look where the programs' circuits got brighter or darker in relation to their emotional or energy states), TRON 2.0, and Legacy;

Or a varying of various design aesthetics to show that different computers with different hardware and software configurations can alter the in-computer world appearance (explaining why the Encom's Grid looks different from Flynn's Grid).

5)Don't involve the real world too much - I recall Kosinski stating that TRON 3 may involved more of an idea of programs leaking out into the real world - while I can see some real-world applications for Quorra, don't turn her into a guinea pig;

But including real world Encom vs. Dillenger Systems hostile corporate takeover battle to coincide with the in-system battle would be cool.

6)Give us more than five minutes of screen time for our beloved title character, TRON.

But TRON was featured in more than half of the movie (possibly the same amount of time he was featured in the original), but wasn't made apparent until the last act of the film. (And is a lot more than how he was featured in the TRON 2.0 video game when it was originally canon)

Abraxas V Wrote:That is REALLY reaching, my friend. CLU did redezz TRON, you could hear it.

No, CLU damaged TRON, he didn't derezzed him. If CLU had derezzed him, he'd be dead and gone. There'd be NOTHING of TRON left, not even his body. This is what it means to be derezzed. Flynn explains that when it comes to CLU and his army, CLU doesn't have the ability to create new programs, only destroy or repurpose current ones (he says this when they reach CLU's carrier and discover that the Solar Sailer they are on is carrying programs).

Programs can be partially damaged and still maintain stability. We see many examples of this in the film. One of the first few programs Sam interacts with has half of his face missing. Another, even more up front example is Quorra during the End of Line Club fight. Despite the hit, programs are still stable enough to function, or (as we see with Quorra, who is an ISO), can go into a catatonic state.

Here's the Club Fight Scene. All three examples are shown. At 19 seconds in the clip, you have a program being derezzed. At 39 seconds, a program who is damaged but is still functioned (the one who screams "resist!"). Then Quorra, at 1:50, is severely damaged (resulting in her going into a catatonic state).

Now, since Flynn himself states that CLU cannot create new programs, only repurpose or destroy them, logic deduces that since Rinzler is TRON, that CLU damaged him with the blow to the head (which could have resulted in him going into a similar catatonic state like Quorra did) and then CLU reprogrammed him to be Rinzler.

And there's a good possibility due to the damage TRON took to the head, the Rinzler programming may not have took, resulting in him having what is basically a program version of split personality disorder. And then CLU could have found out that the programming didn't take, and as a result force fed the programming again and it taking the second time around.

If this were not so then why would he not have reconnected with Flynn?

The fact that Kevin Flynn went off-grid probably had a huge factor. As we see in the TRON: Evolution game, programs that go off-grid cannot function and can eventually derez due to the lack of connection to the Grid, unless Flynn purposefully reprograms or designs them to work off-grid.
Examples:
1. ANON starting off not fully functioning due to being off-grid. But after being "upgraded" by Flynn, is able to function through reprogramming of his ID Disc, as seen in this scene.
2. Quorra, even being an ISO, suffers this, as we see in the ending of the game (and her being pre-damaged before hand also probably would have added to the high probability of her dying). It is through physical contact with Flynn that allows her to stay (to which we see that he is able to access and modify things through contact). You can see it here.
3. Vehicles also do not function properly Off-Grid, as stated by Quorra in this scene in the film.

It's also safe to say that Quorra and Flynn stayed away from TRON city for a long while, so not to give CLU a chance to get at either of them (as CLU knew Quorra and Flynn). If you notice, Quorra sent Sam to Zuse/Castor, who was a program she trusted. It was probably the only program she trusted. And he says he hadn't seen her in cycles. So, it's safe to say that any word of TRON still existing probably didn't even reach Flynn. And if anything, TRON would be smart not to reveal that he is alive and semi-functional (there are examples of scenes in films and TV shows where someone who is brainwashed and the brainwashing didn't take would hide the fact that they weren't brainwashed as a means of self-preservation). TRON probably didn't want it broadcasted that he was still functional in case word got back to CLU (which, unfortunately wasn't the case, as CLU eventually found out). And if Flynn hasn't stepped back onto the Grid in over 20 years (over 1000 cycles in-system time), then it's safe to say he never heard back TRON was still alive.