Even if I thought they were people, I wouldn't have trouble understanding it. These folks have never heard of despotic, genocidal, power-hungry dictators? Of people having a change of conscience? Have they lived under a rock??

CB2001 Wrote:Well, the big issue they had was the fact that they didn't understand why CLU killed the ISOs, or even saw them as flaws to "The Perfect System." The fact that he had the idea of "a perfect system" that he got from Flynn when he was first created. When Flynn was able to change his goal when the ISOs turned up, CLU was unable to do so because his core functions were "to create the perfect system" and "to change the world." Unlike Hitler, who did it because he believed the Jewish people were responsible for Germany's loss of World War I and some of the social problems the country was going through at the time before he took power, CLU did what he did because he wasn't given instructions to change. That's the difference between programs and humans, programs follow instructions. Humans have the ability to change their minds.

I dunno if you've ever had a political argument, but if you have, you'd know that people don't change their minds nearly as easily as those folks seem to believe. Most people will cling to their beliefs long after they've been proven wrong. It's happened in religion (won't touch it but I'm sure you can think of examples), politics (ditto), science (steady state theory, for example; look up Fred Hoyle and see how hard he tried to keep proving it and coming up with more-and-more insane fixes), etc.

Sure, Flynn changed his mind, but it took him a thousand years, didn't it? And even then he clung to what he'd changed to-- would rather see Sam stuck in there with him forever than see it Sam's way and try to get the hell out of there; didn't even pretend to consider an alternative. Just "yay, let's hang out here for thousands more years! What, you don't wanna? No we're not gonna try something else!" The only reason he went with it is because Sam took off and forced his hand and he had to make the best of the situation.

So, yeah. These people you were arguing with? I still think they're nuts. Let me guess, they're all 12.

CB2001 Wrote:Thanks, Abraxas. But I'm sure that there's still a few people that don't get it as easily as all of us here do.

Haha, that's why I don't read Tron discussions elsewhere. I tried once... the whole time, I just kept thinking "we totally already dealt with that on T-S, came up with a solution or at least argued to death, got the t-shirt, moved on, argued it again with another n00b four months later, got another t-shirt..." I had someone else tell me I should join the Tron Livejournal community. I declined and invited her here instead; just told her that I picked just one comm (this one) because I would quickly get tired of discussing the exact same topics in two different places.

Let's face it... few people *think* about it as much as all of us here do (you decide what that says about us ). On the evolutionary scale of picking apart the Tron movies, they are totally light-years behind us here. We've gone over all sorts of zany stuff and most other places, they're still stuck on "is Tron dead?"

CB2001, I think your quote didn't quote right. Unless it is meant to be that way.
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* Grins * I'm begining to like this topic. Would you like cheese to go with your wine phrase. Some people don't pay attention to movies and forget the little parts and details as to ' Why?' These parts took place. I'd have to agree with CB2001 about Clu's program. Just like any program there are basic commands to follow up in order for that program to function. * giggles * Okay go back to your war. I'll sit out with the popcorn and watch. ;-)

Loctevus Wrote:I'll sit out with the popcorn

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I think it's the way they presented it. In OT, at least you sort of got the idea that it was a functioning computer system. Flynn's new version... what did it do? It seems he sort of DID set it up as a type of virtual world, to just let it go and see what happened. I doubt he used it for any sort of work-- spreadsheet, playing music, etc. It was merely experimental.

Writing it that way left it open for anything to happen, and meant you could easily explain any customization he did that would make it look not like you'd expect from such an environment, means you don't really have to come up with explanations or visualizations for various functions, etc.

But it also means that people might miss the point, esp. if they're not familiar with the original.

Kat Wrote:I think it's the way they presented it. In OT, at least you sort of got the idea that it was a functioning computer system. Flynn's new version... what did it do? It seems he sort of DID set it up as a type of virtual world, to just let it go and see what happened. I doubt he used it for any sort of work-- spreadsheet, playing music, etc. It was merely experimental.

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