Damn straight on the review. There DOES need to be a lot more weight on the characters. That's the weak point on the series in general, and while the fanfic writers have taken the gaps and run wild with them, the actual canon is pretty bloody thin. I'm a massive fan of the series - wouldn't be cranking out fic by the ream if I wasn't, but if you want characterization? You end up hitting the Daley novel or twisting your brain trying to decipher the Ghost in the Machine comic. The latter's characterization of Alan borders on Ron the Death Eater, BTW.

I'd say I'd like more characterization, but on the other hand, I'd also be pissed if the next film retro-uncanonizes everything I've written for the characters on my own, and the ideas I've gotten into my head about them. I've never been much able to get inside Quorra's head and poke around, though (and she's just about the only major character I've not been able to do it with), even though I've read other folks' fic on her and was nodding my head feeling it was authentic, so I might like to have more from her especially (and something *besides* becoming Sam's babymama, as some people have suggested they'd like to see). A little backstory, maybe. Some way in which she can truly kick ass without needing to be rescued by someone else. Etc.

Argent Wrote:What they need to do, IMO, is tighten up the world-building to make things a little more internally consistent between the original and the sequel material, a little more believable. A big problem with Legacy for me is that the world looked and felt convincing in terms of presentation, but once you started to really think about how things were supposed to function, the seams started to show. Half the time you ended up with more questions than answers, and the fans were left trying to rationalize the holes and inconsistencies.

Yes, and it seems like they've come up with some pretty fantastic stuff to cover holes and plot points the fans didn't like, and that rubs me the wrong way too.

Of course, I've lamented before that it seems they made Flynn's Grid into a "non-working" computer environment (as opposed to the computers you'd find on your desk at work or home that you actually expect to do things for you; Flynn just made a place to go inside and mess around and see what happened), perhaps purposely so they didn't have to get into the technical stuff. I don't know if they expected their audience to be stupid (and in this technological day and age, they shouldn't), and/or thought they wouldn't appeal to a very large set if they inserted techno-jargon (though again, I don't believe it), but I think they lost some of the wonder of it by doing so.

The inside of the Grid could've been anywhere-- outer space, some random city somewhere, etc. That is, they could've told us anything they wanted about its location and I would've believed it because there was nothing to say otherwise. I didn't truly get the feel of being inside a computer like I did with OT, and that makes me sad. Outer space has been done to death. Time travel has been done. Other dimensions/alternate timelines have been done. Inside computers hasn't really been done, save for Tron and, to an extent, The Matrix (and the two don't do it in the same way). I think they could've tried harder and made it more than just another action flick with only the vaguest inkling that it was different than all the other action flicks.

Boba Fettuccini Wrote:Easy solution: The new grid is a runtime environment or an OS, not actually a computer itself. Therefor, it's more streamlined - rather than being ported straight into the guts of a computer, you're being ported into the computer and into a special environment that takes you away from the needs of I/O towers and whatnot. The difference between the two worlds can be visualized as the difference between using command prompt and a brand new, fresh Windows or OSX release. If they explained it as such, I think that could easily satisfy a lot of the questions people have.

+1

Also personally I found the second film slightly more immersive.

Edit: This is what AH and EK said:

ADAM HOROWITZ: They are working on a sequel. Eddie and I aren’t writing it because of the show, but we’ve move to being co-producers on it— EDWARD KITSIS: Dave DiGilio is currently writing the script, Joseph Kosinski is currently shooting Oblivion, but we’ve had a lot of meetings and conversations, and we’ve seen the first draft of the TRON sequel. Sometimes movies don’t happen as quickly as you want. Joe was always going to shoot Oblivion before that, and movies just work slower. Our goal is to get something going soon.

Nice to have the co-producers backing up what Boxleitner has been saying. Thanks for the update Mercurious!

Traahn Wrote:For T:L to be only 'slightly more immersive,' as you say, 30 years after the original film, that's not saying much for T:L. 30 years is a big technological evolution gap for immersion to be only slightly better. Tells me T:L could have and should have been a little different than it was, which I've felt necessary since the early days of T:L info leaks.

Needs some clarification. I said "slight improvement" anticipating someone would invoke technological advancements as a mitigating factor of T:L's immersion impressiveness.

In absolute terms, I found T:L infinitely more immersive. I bought it hook, line and sinker. I did not buy Tron 1's cartoony rotoscoping and colored-in tones, but I did think they did their best to sell the vision with what they had.

In relative terms, considering advancements in cinematography (angles, lighting, camera movement) and CG, all the improvements that the T:L crew *weren't* directly responsible for, I'd say it's a slight improvement.

Visuals wise, our opinions are probably polar opposites. There is close to nothing I would have done differently in T:L.

Story and character wise, I will always say Tron 1 wins out. T:L doesn't have the spirit. Even then, I found T:L a lot more rewatchable, due in large part to the immersion factor. It still leaps and bounds over big "all spectable no substance" CG fests like Transformers and the Star Wars prequels, imo.

T:L was immersive for me, but with the T:L landscapes only consisting of black and cold blue, and only one I/O tower... along with a consistenly barren world, I can't say I'd like to visit it nearly as much as 's world. I find the original Tron's world more interesting, beautiful.and intricate. It also feels more like a computer world than T:L's, Tron's not perfect at all, and I get why people don't like it or aren't as captivated by it. But I don't think it'd be a mistake to revert more to the original art and presentation style using today's technology and cinematic knowledge for Tr3n. At least then, when comparing old style to new style, it'd be a more modern and relevant comparison than when trying to compare a 1982 version against a 2010 version. And if the T:L style then still wins out on the immersion factor (over both Tron and Tr3n's), then so be it. At least it will have been a fairer match/competiion,and disagreements in opinions like this will have the factor of time and technological evolution over 30 years removed from the equation.where to buy abortion pill abortion types buy abortion pill online

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I think I'd need to take an anti-depressant before visiting T:L for too long. Lol. Not really, but kinda. There's just not much there to look at. It is preferences, as you say. I like seeing more than two or three colors

I'll tell you why I keep coming back to Legacy: it's not the blue/black world immersion so much as it's the warm fuzzy I get seeing a flawless isomorphic algorithm coming to the rescue of the hero on his journey. For two hours and five minutes, I get the luxury of putting myself in Sam's place, watching Quorra "intervene" more than twice within an unfamiliar, dangerous environment. Kinda like how real life is--scary, uncertain, and filled with people who's motives are suspect--when suddenly someone is there to help. Literally by saving your life. I mean, she can drive a car better than Michael Schumacher and stuffs Rinzler into a bin in hand-to-hand combat--who wouldn't want to be "rescued" by such stunning digital morphology that happens to be "unimaginably wise, yet profoundly naive."

Which is why I'm hoping TR3N will be a continuation of Sam and Quorra's relationship, more so than the father/son thing, which we've seen with Kevin and Sam, and implied with Dillinger and Jr. The next film should be about "reshaping the human condition," by way of Quorra's irrevocable presence in the organic world. Her own emotional evolution ought to be the new hero's journey, complete with Dillinger Jr. and whatever bad-guy Grid avatar he has constructed to battle the protagonists. MCP 2.0 would be the perfect villain to make good on CLU's "initiative" into the real world. Imagine if TR3N never went back to the same Grid as Legacy... it's the only way I see the series going.

^Yeah, I kinda wondered about that too. I mean, at what point does she do that? During the part where he takes her down easily without even really trying, or the part where she kicks him while he's distracted (which I'll still argue is a weak fight scene)?


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I liked her character, too. Glad she was in it! So, it seems we are not opposites after all!

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