|1982program Wrote:I have some issues w/ the "fight scene" between Flynn and Clu at the portal. Once the decision was made to send Quorra in his place, Flynn had to know he would need to end Clu (and himself). Even if Sam got out and attempted his "few key strokes" solution, the time difference between the grid and the real world would mean that Clu / Flynn would be hanging out for hours before any solution same could type in would take place. |
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was saying. Surely Flynn didn't actually think he could stay behind and not have to fight Clu. Unless he really did believe he could talk Clu down-- which would be naive. Yet when he sees Clu turn and go for Sam and Quorra again, it really does look like that's when he decides he's going to have to die. So it doesn't make much sense.
|1982program Wrote:That is why I don't like the way the movie fades from the final "explosion" of Clu / Flynn immediately to the zip drive necklace of Sam. In grid time, wouldn't it take hours before the download would complete.
I do actually like that part, but I see where you're coming from. Though I'm not sure hours didn't pass. After all, at some point, Sam and Quorra have arrived, he's paged Alan, she's gone outside, and Alan has had time to throw on some clothes and get to the arcade (since he seems to be there already when Sam comes upstairs). There seems to be a lot they didn't show us (if you've not read my short fic exploiting that fact, you should: http://www.tron-sector.com/forums/default.aspx?a=top&id=437744
A lot can be done with that lost time and what may've happened during it...)
|1982program Wrote:Does that mean the grid was completed derezzed or was the explosion / implosion actually Sam uploading the grid to the zip drive??? I think this is a continuity issue that hasn't been dealt with yet.|
Oh, now you're dealing in controversy.
It's been debated. Some people, like me, think the whole thing was destroyed (and what you see left is just very basic code-- like your BIOS or boot code-- perhaps a building block for Sam to start over). Others say, "look we see PART of it destroyed, but we don't know that it's everything." Although I never considered that what we're seeing-- that almost singularity-like point of light-- is all of the data being compressed onto Sam's disk. Hrm, interesting thought. I figured what he has on the disk is whatever fragmented info may be left over-- he's just grabbed everything he can and will try to sort it out later. But with your theory, it may not be as fragmented as we think, and perhaps nothing was destroyed-- just removed from that drive. If we were inside Sam's flash drive, maybe we'd see the opposite, and everything would show up there. Oh, man, the possibilities of that.
(And I've thought of doing a fic too around that-- because we don't really know what that huge explosion of light retracts back to, so I thought of doing one where what Sam [and we, at the time of the end of T:L
] doesn't know is that when the smoke clears, so to speak, there's Flynn standing there on a bare Grid... which, really, could work, because why would reintegration necessarily destroy him? Change him, maybe, but destroy him?)
I wonder what, exactly, was on Flynn's disc. I know a lot of people here believe it was necessary for exiting the Grid, but I don't believe that. If you remember, the three of them hopped the Solar Sailor to get to the portal. The only reason they ended up on Clu's ship and ultimately taking Flynn's disc back was because the SS was unexpectedly diverted there. Otherwise, the plan was to get to the portal and leave, with no mention of getting Flynn's disc first. If they needed it to get out, they would've planned to go get it.
(Unless Flynn planned all along that when they arrived at the portal, he'd be like "actually, you go and get rid of Clu from the outside, and I [or I and Quorra; who knows if he was planning on sending her out at that point] will wait here.")
So I always just figured there was something on there that would have some sort of info Clu would need for taking over our world.
Ah, now that I think of it, who knows what was going through Flynn's head. They were never clear how, exactly, Flynn might win, I suppose. It sounds like any method of killing Clu would also kill Flynn? (though I wonder what would happen if he got out and then they got rid of Clu from the outside? Surely he wouldn't drop dead next to the desk. What would happen though if he stayed inside and Clu was deleted from the outside? Would Flynn just go "poof" and de-rez where he stands as well? Or is it only reintegration that is fatal to both?) But Flynn's probably the only one who thinks Clu might be defused without taking him out. I wonder how the writers would explain THAT quandary, that essentially there would be no way at all for Flynn to defeat Clu. Hell, the more I think about it, the more it confuses me.