KingJ.exe Wrote: 6: Bit. I love bit. Bit is awesome.

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I'd like to get out into the wider system. I'd like to get away from the idea that this is a world Flynn created and back to the idea that it's a world that exists parallel to ours that Flynn happened to stumble into.

The franchise is called so I think a program named must have some role to play. Unfortunately, and I realize this is an unpopular position, Bridges, Boxleitner, and, alas, Ms. Morgan are aging out of their ability to play main characters in these stories (at least without leaps forward in CGI and de-aging technology). It's the program characters that are problematic; of course, Lora and Kevin and Alan can and should be played by the original actors in a continuation of the current narrative, as long as another sequel isn't too long in coming.

It's time, though, to introduce some new main characters; if we step away from and outside of the server in Flynn's basement, it's not just wise but necessary to introduce new characters.

De-emphasize the magical-ness of the ISOs. It's enough that there's an alternate universe where computational processes in our world manifest as fully-realized, human-like entities. Trying to make some programs extra-super-special is answering a question that never needed to be asked.

Try to construct an interesting computer world where programs have rich internal lives, and whose activities extend beyond killing each other with frisbees and scifi motorcycles. (Though there ought to be some of that too. )

Finally, I wouldn't object to a reboot. (In which case we could start calling TR3N TR0N. That's a zero. See what I did there?) An interesting approach to a reboot would be live-action sequences for the "real" world, and all CGI for the computer world.

Whatever turn the story takes, please use computer scientists and metaphysicians as technical advisors.

emdeesee Wrote: KingJ.exe Wrote: 6: Bit. I love bit. Bit is awesome. Yes! This... Also:

All of this. Although I do still want mah Tron and I'm not sure I'd be big on an entire character reboot without anyone we recognize. Yet I also am not all that enamored of the de-aging CGI. Unfortunately, they waited too long to re-start the franchise, and now they're either going to have to continue artificially, or bow out gracefully with some dignity. We don't want Tron to be the Joan Rivers of films, facelifted so many times you're not sure what's real anymore and what's just desperate hanging-on...

I agree that the 'net should be out, though. There are amazing things you can do with it, but it would be way too damn easy for the story to get out of control. There are SO MANY amazing things you could do with the internet angle that you could make decades worth of movies and not cover it all. Probably a can of worms best unopened. And then they're stuck coming up with a plausible explanation for why we're watching a story about a system not on the 'net, and...

renderinfo2 Wrote: emdeesee Wrote:De-emphasize the magical-ness of the ISOs. Disagree. If only to show that "The Grid" is not only a parallel universe, but a universe that can "create" as well. The fact that the grid has "most" real-world counterparts like the lightsub, lightcopter, lighttank, lightcar, lightjet, lighttrain, and several types of lightcycles, it would certainly help "the universe" if the Grid can spawn it's own creations not based on the "mind of kevin flynn". The ISOs are an important step in that direction, and can lead to a "more truer" alternate universe. Only My Opinion of course.

Disagreeing with your disagree. Why does the Grid need to "create"? The whole point, I thought, is that it is a world WE created. And we've had discussions here on what that may mean as far as our responsibilities as creators. (Besides, all of the parallel stuff on the Grid is there because someone wrote it to mimic our world, which is why digital jets can stall. It's not just spontaneously like that, a big surprise-- Flynn WROTE tanks in T82 and that's why they exist within the Encom system. But the Isos are something even Flynn had no idea about, so there's really no comparison between the two.)

In addition, the point of the Grid is that it's special BECAUSE it's a whole world inside a computer. It doesn't need anything more. It's awesome simply because it exists. To think that it DOES need more to be cool cheapens it, as well as making it seem like we were naive to think it was a cool concept in T82. That would be like if we decided Star Wars needs to add rainbow glittery Indigo Child psychic magnetic unicorns to the character lineup because the fact that it's FRIGGING OUTER SPACE isn't nifty enough.

I always felt the Isos were sort of hokey, stretching the plausibility factor, and diverting the storyline. One of the big complaints here about T:L is that they cheated-- they created a computer world that Flynn could make any way he wanted, including just like ours, so they wouldn't have to deal with the "inconvenience" of having to show what a functioning computer environment actually looks like and they could just write whatever story they wanted and the setting would almost been incidental-- but the whole point of Tron is that that's what we WANTED-- we wanted someone to use their imagination and tell us what it might be like in there when we transfer a file, or make a backup, or whatever. If we wanted to watch a story about the way things work in the "real world," that's why we have the majority of other movies out there. They came up with the Isos and that was yet another thing to keep track of that moved us further away from the original concept.

I like the program story. I don't need anything more, bells and whistles and spontaneously-generating characters. I'd need a hell of a lot of more of the "computer world" storyline before I'd be bored enough that I'd need additions to keep me interested.

Kat Wrote:That would be like if we decided Star Wars needs to add rainbow glittery Indigo Child psychic magnetic unicorns to the character lineup because the fact that it's FRIGGING OUTER SPACE isn't nifty enough.

*cough*midichlorians*cough*

emdeesee Wrote:I'm not sure that opening that can of worms is bad thing; you don't have to tell all the stories. Just pick one and tell it well. Leaving stories to tell lets the franchise expand, and gives us, the fans, stories we can tell ourselves. That's a hallmark of a vital franchise, IMHO.

Sorry, I probably should have been more clear. I just think there would be too many threads to keep track of. You go onto the 'net. Then what? Do you hang out on Facebook or eBay? Are there international programs so you meet up with programs from Germany and China and how would you work with them? Is your threat a virus, phishing, or Anonymous? Etc. There are so many factors to explain when it comes to the internet-- some of which simply can't be ignored-- that I just think it'd make waaaay too huge of a story.

emdeesee Wrote: FWIW the one-to-one relationship between users/programmers and programs has been bogus from day zero. You just have to hold your nose and ignore it.

I just tell myself that the programs we see in T82 are personal programs written for very specific purposes, so it's plausible that they're stand-alone and won't have clones marketed all over the world. Yori was made to work specifically with the digitizing laser. Clu was Flynn's personal hacking program. Tron, knowing Alan, may have been created specifically to stick it to the MCP rather than with any commercial intentions. Etc.

Where it starts getting murky is when you get into programs like Ram and Crom, who came from elsewhere and probably WERE commercial programs who may have versions at other banks/insurance companies. Not to mention the classic question of how and why their companies were hooked into the Encom servers to begin with.

KingJ.exe Wrote: Another thing I wanted in future TRON instalments: Some sort of Uprising reference. Let Beck be a main character maybe, or at least reference him. We have a fantastic show that has answered a lot of questions and added to the TRON world in so many ways, it at least deserves as much as Evolution got, which didn't add nearly as much.

Evolution only got a mention in the movie, and as far as we know that was retconned seeing how Quorra didnd't reach Flynns safe house after the beginning of the purge, for all we know the program she mentions could had been Ada , the Iso that was traveling with her at the time

In Tron 3 I would like to see Tron and Beck as fighting together to help Sam and they should not only get a lot of screentime but be essential to the plot .

LORD_Z3DD Wrote: KingJ.exe Wrote: Another thing I wanted in future TRON instalments: Some sort of Uprising reference. Let Beck be a main character maybe, or at least reference him. We have a fantastic show that has answered a lot of questions and added to the TRON world in so many ways, it at least deserves as much as Evolution got, which didn't add nearly as much. Evolution only got a mention in the movie, and as far as we know that was retconned seeing how Quorra didnd't reach Flynns safe house after the beginning of the purge, for all we know the program she mentions could had been Ada , the Iso that was traveling with her at the time In Tron 3 I would like to see Tron and Beck as fighting together to help Sam and they should not only get a lot of screentime but be essential to the plot .

I can conceive of an idea that would make both of them canon. Flynn did say he was opposing CLU and it didn't do much good. We don't know how much time happens between Clu's coup and Uprising.

Okay, well a little shorter then.

It would take 10 years off him. Liked your story, probably the way a lot of fans would have wanted legacy to end, or the sequel to begin.

I hope they make the next one sooner rather than later before the older cast age anymore. Fingers crossed.

Kat Wrote: cluless Wrote:And finally (for now) I'd like to see Flynn back in the real world, back in his arcade, cleaned up (along with the neighbourhood) with the jukebox banging out Journey with Flynn and Sam getting that team game they talked about the night Flynn disappeared. Come on, he's due a break! I give you: http://tron-sector.com/forums/default.aspx?a=top&id=437744

I read that story, t'was awesome.