ShadowDragon1 Wrote:Jadem.. please read my last post. *sigh*

I read it thoroughly, I just have statements like that, because first, there are alot of future based movies using body tight outfits which may look like Tron, so yea I apoligize for using "The Matrix" as the only source... The club scene where they rescue Neo from "The Train Man" makes me think of this leather/athletic/vinyl types of bodysuits, moreso - Ultraviolet and Aeon Flux, than The Matrix. I noticed alot of cyber-ware type of ppl on youtube, interesting..

Yeah as long as I can play Tron 2.0 online, I don't care. btw, I like that the TL is using historic metaphors in the future movie designs, can't complain much about that. abortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion

Some important details:

1) Re-creating the rotoscoping effect is virtually impractical,
and would take 3 years or more and 300+ digital compositing artists to apply those effects to *every frame*, on every character in all the cyberspace digital world scenes.

Tron Legacy would then not be out in theatres until 2013 or 2014.

2) Do to such a process being massively time consuming and extremely costly in current times,
it was not the direction Joseph Kosinski wanted to use this time around.

This is generally (but not in exact words) what Joseph Kosinski told me.

(the following is based upon statements made by Joe)

3) The suits in the movie have real luminesent, fiber-optical light technology incorperated into the suits,

that really neccessatated the new streamlined designs as they constructed them.
also
The suits needed to be able to endure *live stunts*, and real feats of atheleticsim.
Mulitple, thick armor segments would prevent such stunts from being feasable.

These things where contributing factors to the more streamlined, "minimalist" design of the characters' suits.

I'll say it again.

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RustyMuffler Wrote: TRON.dll Wrote:Backing up your argument with awesome pictures doesn't help. Yeah, that is why I wasn't quite sure if this thread was made facetiously or if the guy was being serious and thus, trolling.

I think he's being serious. Honestly, could you take a "bad" screenshot from the trailer? Every frame is beautiful

I understand sevenout's concerns. I noticed a couple of the same things, but nothing on the list really bothers me enough to worry too much. Yeah, I may not be totally 100% into the digital lightning or tire smoke, but it's okay. I'd rather not have those things, but it won't hurt the movie much for me. For sevenout, it sounds like those are near deal-breakers. Hopefully sevenout can eventually look beyond. Grow beyond, and extend into the realm of the invisible, so to speak. I try to rationalize it by the fact that Tron had: sunsets, and.... and... hmm, yikes, I can't think of any more similar examples at the moment.

I will love TL!!!

RustyMuffler Wrote: TRON.dll Wrote:Backing up your argument with awesome pictures doesn't help. Yeah, that is why I wasn't quite sure if this thread was made facetiously or if the guy was being serious and thus, trolling.

Troll (N) - One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.

As such, trolling is generally when you are not being serious.

I think you've misinterpreted what I was trying to say.

I agree with you that the topic starter is off his rocker. That's why I said you can't simply dismiss a film without having seen it in its entirety.

What I'm saying is that for those of us who have their dislikes based on what they have seen - yet have also stated they're continuing to keep an open mind and still want to see the sequel - please don't lump us into the same category as the topic starter, as having some kind of agenda to try and convince everyone that the film isn't worth seeing.

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mastercilinder Wrote:I agree. There is no resemblence. LIES! I really have to disagree here. Sure it's different from the original but hey! It's a sequel that takes place 28 years later! What did you expect?

And I quote(myself): "My hope is this team can fast forward the 28 year boundary from the last film, through the present cyber-panthestic/monistic manifestation, and fabricate a seamless cyber-ware consciousness extension we know as Tron, evoking a capacious mind-blowing fantasy reminiscent of the best story we've ever laid eyes upon."

mastercilinder Wrote:The Matrix is all about computers creating reality and has a really gritty look to it. Looks virtually nothing like this.

Wrong. Pure and simple. Although some characters don't have the exact same cyber-ware on, The Matrix is based on the same principals Tron is, with exception of mechanism of connecting to cyberspace.

The Matrix exploits a spiritual conscious that is atleast as powerful physically.

Tron exploits a physical connection in cyberspace similarly, more powerful inside the digitized manifestation that brings a spiritual consciousness into play as well.

The outfits aren't the only influences(I mentioned club scenes for that ex.), there's also cyberspace, but that's not really important. OLD NEWS.

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What's the deal with Uwe Boll? Who is he and what did he do that was so wrong? I tried looking at Wikipedia and one or two other quick sites, but I can't tell. I don't know his movies; never seen them.

Something tells me his movies are either awful, or there's more to it... like maybe he's the man that everyone loves to hate on the net or something?

I love the world of the original TRON in every respect. And from that, I've built certain ideas of what a Tron movie should and shouldn't have. I'm all for it evolving, and love the updated look in most respects. However, in knowing the movie and universe inside and out so well (the one shown in the movie anyways), there are some guidelines that I think should ideally be followed to keep things somewhat consistent to what we know and love. A few things I personally feel aren't really needed: tread and tread wear on tires; LED headlights on lightcycles; tire burn smoke; recognizer gravity-based landing; rain (not sure if it will appear, but if it does, probably not my preference); streamlined suits; etc. I don't want to get too detailed, as it doesn't really matter too much. These are just very minor things I wish weren't done in TL; not necessary to introduce. These things don't really add anything, imo, and kind've take away from the fact that it's taking place inside a computer a little.

Yes, Syd Mead had a design of a circuitry suit in concept art that looks like the current versions somewhat. Yes, Peter Lloyd's? concept art maybe has elements that are in the new film (which I don't see as much as others, but maybe it does?). But concept art isn't what we saw in the original movie. I give more weight to things that were in the actual film when creating my perception of what "Tron" is and should be. That's all! No big deal. Please don't take my post out of context and think I'm berating TL or that I don't want to see the Tron world evolve or be enhanced. There are just certain ways to do that; and certain ways to not do that. I think TL has hit a few ways that are not my preference.

As a long-time Tron fan, though, I have to give nothing but kudos to Kosinski and Disney for getting us this new film! It is more than I could ever hope for. To think for 15 years that a new Tron movie would never be made, or that if one was made that it would not be funded very well, and then to get what we have now is a dream come true.

Joseph Konsinski: " For me, it was taking what I loved about the first film, which was the design elements that Syd Mead and Moebius [a.k.a. Jean Giraud] did, which I feel is timeless, and extrapolate it forward 28 years. " "We're saying in the world of the computer, it's been thousands of years and it has evolved."

Sounds all good to me IMO.


Come on now. This looks so frakkin' cool IMO....
ah well, can't please everybody I guess.
*sigh*

Traahn Wrote:A few things I personally feel aren't really needed: tread and tread wear on tires; LED headlights on lightcycles; tire burn smoke; recognizer gravity-based landing; rain (not sure if it will appear, but if it does, probably not my preference)

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