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HooDooMan
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Time Dilation Discrepancy

on Wednesday, October, 06, 2010 12:00 AM
I've been noticing a discrepancy in several articles about TRON: Legacy concerning the time dilation effect while Kevin Flynn is inside the TRON world. Most of the recent articles I've been reading are stating that one year in the real world is like 1000 years in the TRON world, so therefore, since Kevin Flynn has been in the server for 20 years real world time, that equates to 20,000 years in the TRON world.

I distinctly remember an article or interview with Joe Kosinski stating that time scales about 50 times faster in the TRON world than it does in the real world. So 20 years in the real world equates to 1000 years in the TRON world.

I think there was a "page" from one of Kevin Flynn's books, as part of the ARG, that had a statement that 1 year is like 1000 years in the TRON world, or something like that, which is probably where the 20,000 years is coming from.

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on Wednesday, October, 06, 2010 12:15 AM
HooDooMan Wrote:I've been noticing a discrepancy in several articles about TRON: Legacy concerning the time dilation effect while Kevin Flynn is inside the TRON world. Most of the recent articles I've been reading are stating that one year in the real world is like 1000 years in the TRON world, so therefore, since Kevin Flynn has been in the server for 20 years real world time, that equates to 20,000 years in the TRON world.

I distinctly remember an article or interview with Joe Kosinski stating that time scales about 50 times faster in the TRON world than it does in the real world. So 20 years in the real world equates to 1000 years in the TRON world.

I think there was a "page" from one of Kevin Flynn's books, as part of the ARG, that had a statement that 1 year is like 1000 years in the TRON world, or something like that, which is probably where the 20,000 years is coming from.

My question is, which one is right? Either way, it's a heck of a long time!

As a admin for Tron Wiki, I can definitely tell you that there are A LOT of discrepancies in Tron info that's out there. Both for the first and second movies.

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on Wednesday, October, 06, 2010 1:29 AM
Wouldn't this be the other way around if you apply the theory as to what happens when one travels near the speed of light? For every 1 year Flynn experiences in the computer, 1300 years would have passed in the real world.
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on Wednesday, October, 06, 2010 3:54 PM
The Tron universe is not a part of our space-time, so dilation is not an issue. I think the argument is that there's no matter in Tron, so everything being energy and clocked at a high rate by the system clock, moves and 'ticks' at a much higher rate than we do out here.

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on Wednesday, October, 06, 2010 9:02 PM



"While 28 years have passed in the real world, over 1000 years have passed in the TRON one."

Source:
Tron: The Official Site (Codex) - http://disney.go.com/tron/html/codex/tron-universe.html



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"For every Gregorian Year that passes in the real world, 50 TC (Tron Cycles) have passed on the Grid."

Source:
Tron - The Official Site (Lightcycle Game): http://disney.go.com/tron/index_flash.html






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"...(W)hen we quantify electrical impulses, those speeds are over 1,000 greater - so, if life could exist in a purely digital form, that organism would experience 1,000 years for every one year of our time on earth. When I work on my special project, it's as if time stands still in the "real world." Sam's grandparents can sit with him while I toil for what seems like a week, but when I return, they barely notice I've gone."

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time.theory.compare.notes at http://www.helloflynn.com/







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on Friday, December, 03, 2010 4:58 AM
Just how does Flynn age if he's been trapped there for 20 years? Physically he shouldn't because he's just a digital construct of himself in the Real World. Theoretically he should look identical to Clu just as he did in the old system. The laws of physical spacetime should not apply. If he returns to the Real World in 2010 he should look as he did in 1989 and start to age again normally once he's back in the physical world. where to buy abortion pills online order abortion pill buy abortion pills onlineabortion pills abortion pill abortion pills onlinemedical abortion pill online open buy abortion pills online


 
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on Friday, December, 03, 2010 8:51 AM
Tron Unit Wrote:Just how does Flynn age if he's been trapped there for 20 years? Physically he shouldn't because he's just a digital construct of himself in the Real World. Theoretically he should look identical to Clu just as he did in the old system. The laws of physical spacetime should not apply. If he returns to the Real World in 2010 he should look as he did in 1989 and start to age again normally once he's back in the physical world.

I've wondered about that, and I've been thinking it might be because he's a User rather than a program. I don't know what's different that would cause that, but at least it's an idea order abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pillwhere to buy abortion pills online order abortion pill buy abortion pills online


 
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on Friday, December, 03, 2010 9:25 AM
Flynn ages normally due to genetic algorythms he wrote to preserve his DNA/RNA pattern. So he ages the normal 20 some years even as construct of code, and because he' a User. Programs don't age because their code is different from a Users, so they don't appear to physically age. The Grid wasn't fully "finished" most likely...

Flynn could conceivably, l (from outside The Grid, in the Real World) patch the code later so that Programs have an artificial life span where they appear to "age" and eventually fade derezz after a certain number of cycles have passed and then the system replaces them with a new Program to continue to fill the function of the old Program.where to buy abortion pills online an abortion pill buy abortion pills online

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cirlin
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on Friday, December, 03, 2010 10:28 AM
Shadowdragon, is that genetic algorithm thing from something? One of Flynn's notes or the official website? I don't remember reading about it before.

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on Friday, December, 03, 2010 12:14 PM
It was my understanding that programs only "appear" to have aged because they are just avatars of their Users, i.e. Dumont/Walter and why we still see Clu and Tron resemble their Users at the time of their creation. If Programs do have a finite lifespan they would simply derez and their energy would transfigure into the system codex. Flynn is a User and therefore different but by the laws of physics he should not physically age and could conceivably attain some kind of virtual immortality so long as the entropy of the system doesn't eventually wear out like a normal computer or is re-imaged onto another drive. If what SD1 is saying about Flynn having programed his own aging algorithms is true then it's a pretty lame cop-out by Kosinski to me because it evades the one big question I've had all this time about Flynn's disappearance into the system and Flynn's revelation that what he was working on was going to change everything: science, religion, medicine. That's the key idea that got me really excited about seeing Legacy because we were finally going to get a big revelation that this world was conceived to be our salvation from the prison of flesh but through the course of the story Flynn realizes it was really a virtual imprisonment i.e. his captivity by Clu.where to buy abortion pills online order abortion pill buy abortion pills online


 
cirlin
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RE: Time Dilation Discrepancy

on Friday, December, 03, 2010 12:49 PM
Well even if a User still ages in the digital world, it's much much slower than in the real one. We know Flynn's been in there for at least 1000 years, so that's probably close enough to immortality for most people
(Incidently, I hope the final answer to how long he's been in there is closer to 1000 rather than the 20000 years idea I've seen floating around. I can kinda wrap my mind around 1000 years, but 20000 just seems so long that it becomes unbelievable that Flynn would be at all recognizable as the same person. Heck I doubt he would really seem Human after that long)where to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill onlinewhere to buy abortion pills online an abortion pill buy abortion pills onlinei need to buy the abortion pill read here order abortion pill


 
ShadowDragon1
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on Friday, December, 03, 2010 12:50 PM
Flynn's computer system is *not* the same system for TRON (1982) , i.e. it not the Encom 511. So Flynn wrote in slightly different "rules" and such into his system. He uploaded Programs (Basics) to populate The Grid at first, then later a new form of digital beings materialize... i.e. The system /the Grid "evolved" beyond it's original peramiters. So it's side effects of that became unpredictable.... The Grid was not entirely finished or "perfected" on an intrisic level when he got trapped there.

Alan Bradley mentions that Flynn was talking to him about "Genetic Algorythms" and "quantum teleportation".

The following is speculation based on what various elements of Tron Legacy backstory from Tron Betrayal and material from Flynn Lives related content/info (nothing specific from Joe Kosinski)

Genetic Algorythms probably preserve Flynn's DNA/RNA pattern, but either a flaw in the system or Flynn *percieving* himself to have aged over the course of many cycles & real world years resulted in him appearing to have aged.

A User's mind I think *does* seem to have some subtle influence on how he percieves the digital universe (in the old system and now in The Grid) and his interactions with it ( related to "User Power", such as when Flynn used his mind to re-build a Recognizer from broke apart pieces of a Recognizer)..

So if Flynn, who's been trapped in the system for 20,000 virtual years (seeming like an eternity), he probably feels and perceives himself to age 20-30 yrs.
If he returns to the real world, will he be 35 again? Maybe, or maybe not. Depends if the DNA/RNA routines that preserved and put his pattern in stasis, or if the routines where progressive, allowing for slow, gradual biological aging based on a normal 24 hr period and progression of real-world time.

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RE: Time Dilation Discrepancy

on Friday, December, 03, 2010 1:38 PM
To you but I'm not buying it. If Flynn has been in the system for 20,000 virtual years how could he even recognize Sam? To him that was 20,000 years ago. Just to give you an example, a few months ago I was approached by a woman at work and I had no idea who she was. She said "You don't remember me do you?" and I asked "Who are you?" She told me her name which sounded vaguely familiar and after a minute or so it dawned on me who she was. It was a girl I went to high school with who I had not seen in over 15 years. She barely looked like the person I recalled from my memories. It seemed almost a lifetime ago to me. And now this person who was standing in front of me was a complete stranger. I may have been friends with her once but I knew absolutely nothing about this woman who was in the store with her two kids. At that moment I suddenly felt my age and realized just how much time had actually passed. I'm not buying that Flynn looks old because he feels old after 20,000 virtual years. If you built a system you could go into and achieve a virtual existence why would you want to program it to age you at all? This is what I thought Alan's big revelation to Sam was about, that he'd found virtual salvation for humanity to exist in a digital world where disease and aging would no longer be concerns because he had created a new world, or at least an alternative one, where people could go to preserve their existence. Now if Flynn had been in the Real World for the last 30 years and only recently went into the system then yeah, that would explain why he looks physically old but he's been trapped in there since 1989 so he shouldn't look old. These Genetic Algorithms that have supposedly aged him seem like another narrative cheat to deal with the issue i.e. Midiclorians rather than address the issue of why he appears to have aged head on. I am far more interested in how time dilation and the laws of physics between both worlds applies to the storyline rather than have some throwaway line that says "Oh that's because he programed it so he would age." Not buying it.where to buy abortion pills online an abortion pill buy abortion pills onlinei need to buy the abortion pill read here order abortion pill


 
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on Friday, December, 03, 2010 1:53 PM
I really think your overthinking what is essentially a quasi-mystical cyber-punk fairytale in the vein of Rip Van Wrinkle, Narnia, and the Wizard of Oz.
A mythological tale framed in cyber-tech framework but not wholely meant to be 100% plausible. Intended as an imaginative cyber-tech-ish fairytale.

In such a case, a bit of suspension of disbelief is needed in my opinion.
This movie ad the orginal was *not* pure hard science fiction. No one, neither the film, the director, etc is asking you to "buy into" anything.

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Traahn
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RE: Time Dilation Discrepancy

on Friday, December, 03, 2010 2:32 PM
I wonder how many years Dumont was the Tower Guardian in the Tron world? Is he stuck on Encom 511, or has he been duplicated to other systems via the Internet? If he was duplicated, do all of his versions across all servers have the same age and age progression rate as the original Dumont?

Actually, I'm not curious about this.

I just want to know the generalities of time progression in the computer compared to real world, and the movie (or just thinking about it more) will help me understand this. I don't need to reason away via "it's on a different server" or anything.

I don't need perfect scientifically tested answers for this, as there's a little bit of "just accept" when it comes to the Tron world. I don't need or want perfect answers for everything and hope Kosinski and future Tron movies don't set out to try and explain everything for us. where to buy abortion pills online an abortion pill buy abortion pills onlinei need to buy the abortion pill how to order the abortion pill online order abortion pill


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on Friday, December, 03, 2010 4:26 PM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote: I really think your overthinking what is essentially a quasi-mystical cyber-punk fairytale in the vein of Rip Van Wrinkle, Narnia, and the Wizard of Oz.
A mythological tale framed in cyber-tech framework but not wholely meant to be 100% plausible. Intended as an imaginative cyber-tech-ish fairytale.

In such a case, a bit of suspension of disbelief is needed in my opinion.
This movie ad the orginal was *not* pure hard science fiction. No one, neither the film, the director, etc is asking you to "buy into" anything.

And could you break up your paragraphs please? The wall of text is hard on the eyes and makes me want to not read your post.

Then don't. If you're going to be condescending in your responses I'd prefer you didn't. That's no excuse for ignoring the science. The first Tron was good sci-fi fantasy because it retained some elements of physics and their plausibility, like the particle laser. The time dilation and aging sets itself up for some really great science fiction in the vein of 2001: A Space Odyssey if it's handled properly. Kosinki is on the verge of some really brilliant science fiction storytelling within the framework of Tron's fantasy world. I'd hate to see him blow it on some lame comic book excuse and take the easy way out. order abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pillwhere to buy abortion pills online http://www.extrageek.com/template/default.aspx?an-abortion-pill buy abortion pills onlinei need to buy the abortion pill read here order abortion pill


 
ShadowDragon1
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on Friday, December, 03, 2010 7:56 PM
Sorry if something I said came off as condesending. But please, it's hard to read your post when it has no paragraph breaks.

I also don't see the point in focusing in on one, in my opinion, insignificant thing. Also It's kinda of rude to me to shoot down and dismiss and knock down my speculations of how *I* am interpruting things.

Now the fact is, that there is no specific explaination for why Flynn aged 20-30 yrs while in The Grid, he just did, and IMO that doesn't really need an explanation.
The Grid, is in-a-sense an alternate reality, another world, like "Oz", "Narnia", Elysium, or some Nether world.

It's like expecting a scientific explaination of why water melted the Wicked Witch in The Wizard of Oz. IMO it's just not that important, so I don't see the point of singling that one thing out.

No offense, but it seems your over thinking this one minor thing. I'm not being condensending here oand I'm not saying or implying you can't voice your view or opinion.
This movie is a cyber-space twist on a type of Wizard of Oz fairytale. Super real-life scientific or psuedo-scientific explanations are not needed for that kind of story or fictional universe IMO.
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on Thursday, December, 23, 2010 12:51 PM
Ok, so did anyone notice when Finn was talking to Sam about how long the portial stays open? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought he said it only stays open for about "ONE MICO SECOND, OR ABOUT EIGHT HOURS." Did I hear that right?

So I did a little math and and if one mico second in our time = 8 hours in their world wouldn't that be an OOPS? Because they clearly said a1000 cycles in the new movie.

So the next queston would be how long is a cycle? Because if you do the math it don't add up. For exsample 1 second in our time would = 8000 hours or 333.3333 Days in the tron world.

1 minute would = over 54 years in their time.
1 hour would = 3,285 years
1 day would = 78,850 years
1 year in our time would be 28,800,000 years in their time.
20 years would be 576 million years in the digil world.

That sounds like hell to me. To be trapped in there for that long. That would make a 1,000 years sound like a day in the park wouldn't you think.

Of course its only a movie, but if you really was trapped in their like that wouldn't you want to get out too? So for keven to sacrafice himself for his son opens up a whole new level in the Tron story. Will there be a tron three? It looks like they left it open for that.where to buy abortion pills online an abortion pill buy abortion pills onlinei need to buy the abortion pill read here order abortion pill


 
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on Thursday, December, 23, 2010 1:35 PM
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