assimilating programs makes programs bigger -
the MCP in tron 1 had become so huge. there
is also the issue of power requirements -
running a lot of programs inside the MCP
requires a huge power drain.

size increase was also evident in sarks
re-animated dead giant form. in the book
tron was thinking that sark's giant
dead husk gave him the feeling that it
contained hundreds of programs that
the MCP had assimilated.
and sarks body also contained a
large amount of power.

the visual representation of the MCP transferring
programs and power to sarks dead husk were
arcs of electricity.

we should not confuse the MCP transferring assimilated
programs to sark to be the same as the process
of assimilating. the two processes are visually
different.

clu 1 assimilation

tower guardian assimilation

sark being resurrected with extra power and assimilated programs

power transfer appears to be common among programs
tron was able to transfer some of his power (tron 1) to
yori's stuporous form making her brighter. the book
also describes this as tron concentrating on transfering
power to yori's power-deprived-stuporous form.

the book also mentions that power makes programs
think clearly and renews their sense of purpose.

the MCP appears to be the only program that can
steal power - but it was only shown with sark
standing in his communications platform

the MCP appears to be the only program that can
assimilate other programs.

the MCP capability to write programming code
(for the successful laser-digitization-of-humans)
is one example of code being written from inside.

the book did not say whether it was a matter of
adding code or re-writing the whole
laser-digitization-program from scratch.

tho re-writing code appears to be possible as
evidenced by flynn in tron legacy rewriting
the guard at their hijacked jet.

also clu's rectify/re-purpose directive could be
re-writing code.

there is no indication whether the MCP assimilation
technique was programmed by dilinger or whether
the MCP developed it on his own.

assimilation mentality surely inherited from
dillinger but the actual assimilation technique
the book offers no details.

thoughts?

side note:
the MCP method of government is called a
water monopoly empire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_empire

the digital world might look futuristic
but their government and political culture
is disturbingly primitive.

speculations
with regards to assimilation:
it begs the question - is there a limit?
can a program become so big that it ceases becoming
a program and instead almost becomes (for want
of a better term) an operating system unto itself.
a system within a system?

or does it become the system itself -
it becomes everything.
ascension of some sort.
will ascension make the program ... wiser?

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ShadowDragon1 Wrote: A Program that keeps assimilating data and other programs, and grows bigger and bigger... um.. it becomes V'Ger?

star trek the motion picture

i get it star trek the motion picture 1979
tron 1982

ok i'll give the original idea back to the trek fans

and in the good-natured spirit of giving:
a "how it should have ended star trek video"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbJ-y6BWfUc

remember allan saying to sam that flynn solved quantum teleportation

also - remember flynn's revelations in the fireplace scene
after dinner when he said:
"disease gone!! science philosophy every idea man has had
about the universe up for grabs. bio-digital jazz man"

well here is an excerpt of just some of the problems arising
from curing disease and lengthening life-spans

-------------
http://www.bio.davidson.edu/people/vecase/SeniorColloquium/04/Genetic%20Testing/geneticethics.htm

A larger elderly population will put tremendous strain and responsibility on the younger population,

creating intergenerational tension. The younger, employed members of society would have to support the

larger community of retirees. Longer retirement not only means greater expenditures to support their

longer, retired lifestyles (and most likely increased health demands), but also less money passed on to

the younger generation since inheritances will likely be spent during longer retirement years (Turner,

2003).
---------------

all these problems and probably more just to cure disease?

i wonder what problems crop up are when you give the world
quantum teleportation?

our insurance institutions, financial institutions
transportation institutions, medical/pharmaceutical institutions etc.
are finely balanced and intricately interconnected,
it takes time to integrate major advances.
it takes manpower to re-structure institutions.

there is a period of unrest - as society finds the best way
to adapt our old systems and institutions to the new
discoveries.

and the major financial movers-n-shakers will surely
have their eyes glued on sam and quorra's next move.
(well assuming sam and quorra make a public announcement)

major discoveries usually creates extreme polar opposites in
society. those who are extremely for it and those who
extremely oppose. with the rest just waiting how it all
pans out.

-remember the initial furor over genetically modified plants?
-remember all the doomsday predictions associated with the hadron collider?
-remember all the hoopla over stem cell research

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/06/science/06stem.html?_r=1
------
Stem Cells in Court, Scientists Fear for Careers...
------

http://scienceblogs.com/builtonfacts/2008/08/theres_a_long_list_of.php

excerpt
------
There's a long list of things that scientists do that are unpopular. The creation/evolution argument

rages on, the stem cell fight still provokes legislative skirmishes, genetic research raises

discrimination concerns...
------

i wonder if kevin flynn predicted this controversy. i also wonder if
young sam realizes the troubled times ahead for quorra

this is something that the economics folks can really
sink their teeth into.

it's a bright future for sure - just not an "immediately"
bright future.

note also that those who favor "disease-free" discovery
might have different motives.

some might favor it for the greater good of humanity,

others might favor it- so only a select few can enjoy
a disease free life.

the focal point of all of this transitional chaos is - quorra

we really have to wonder - given sam's free "give away encom12 o.s."
charitable cavalier nature :

would sam dare throw a monkey wrench at the gears of our
interconnected institutions

would sam even realize that a public announcement
about quorra's true nature is tantamount to
planning to throw a monkey wrench to our institutions?

again the focal point of all of this is - quorra


side note
is it me or does-
making the perfect system seem awfully parallel to
solving the worlds problems?

after all a perfect system is a system without
problems. (well... perceived problems)

tron 3 will come full circle if this happens

from sipping to climate

sipping depends on the presence of air and atmospheric pressure
http://www.tutorvista.com/content/physics/physics-i/fluids-pressure/atmospheric-pressure.php
atmospheric pressure pressing on liquid pushes liquid into mouth

flynn and ram sipping in tron 1

now since we have air molecules then moving thru air means
friction with air molecules and the existence of heat

moving air and sam

so now we have air heat and liquids

excerpt from http://www.ehow.com/about_6671211_do-affect-weather-conditions-atmosphere_.html---------
Weather Components
Air, heat and moisture make up the primary components that most affect weather conditions in the atmosphere.
---------

also wind

excerpt http://www.weatherquestions.com/What_causes_wind.htm--------
What causes wind?
Wind is caused by air flowing from high pressure to low pressure. Since the Earth is rotating
--------

kevin wind on shirt and hair in Redoubt

that is why there is weather in the system
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rimwall Wrote:from sipping to climate sipping depends on the presence of air and atmospheric pressure http://www.tutorvista.com/content/physics/physics-i/fluids-pressure/atmospheric-pressure.php atmospheric pressure pressing on liquid pushes liquid into mouth flynn and ram sipping in tron 1 now since we have air molecules then moving thru air means friction with air molecules and the existence of heat moving air and sam so now we have air heat and liquids excerpt from http://www.ehow.com/about_6671211_do-affect-weather-conditions-atmosphere_.html--------- Weather Components Air, heat and moisture make up the primary components that most affect weather conditions in the atmosphere. --------- also wind excerpt http://www.weatherquestions.com/What_causes_wind.htm-------- What causes wind? Wind is caused by air flowing from high pressure to low pressure. Since the Earth is rotating -------- kevin wind on shirt and hair in Redoubt that is why there is weather in the system

Wrong. There is weather in the system because Kevin Flynn made the system have weather. Your logic would be valid if the movie took place entirely on Earth, but it doesn't, it takes place within a computer. Because it was created entirely by Kevin Flynn, everything in there will adhere exactly to Kevin Flynn's exact specifications.

Everything is digital, energy, code, and constructs of electrons, ions and photons.
It's *in-part* a matter of perception and interprutation by the Users and the digital beings interacting within that digital medium.

Things like 'heat", "air", "wind", "pressure" are all simulations, they're not quite "real". This isn't another planet in the physical world, it's a somewhat surreal, metaphysical cyber space realm.
It has some resemblance to aspects of "reality" but is not reality. The rules of The Grid and what it does simulate and what it does not simulate is according to the intrinsic programmig by Kevin Flynn, later those were somewhat altered and adjusted by Clu.

Your looking at it as if this was like a "real" planet or something. It actually isn't. Your trying to hard to shove in and apply real world physics into a movie that's more a blend of mythology and analogy than it is "real".

People didn't try to overly explain the Land of Oz in "The Wizard of Oz", or the Land of the Dead in Homer's "The Odyssey", or any of the Grimm's Fairytales, It's uneccessary too. The Tron universe is in great part, a kind of fairy tale. It doesn't need real physics to explain every aspect of it's world.

The Tron universe is in great part, a kind of fairy tale. The Grid is like the Land of Oz, it's a kind of Nether World. It really doesn't need real physics or real world programming languanges and real technologies to explain every aspect of it's fantastical world.
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if air is just an illusion then we have to
deny the existence of sound as well
deny the existence of voice, tones, music etc.
deny the existence of hearing as well as the
function of the ear in finding the direction
of where a sound is coming from.
the scene where clu shouts "flynn where are you now"
chalk that shouting to some other form of communication
lets call it shouting but not shouting

from a programming standpoint why would flynn bother
to simulate/model mouth movements.

programmers don't like Superfluous code.

flynn is the only user who sees whats inside the grid
so why waste effort programming mouth movements when programs
obviously communicate in some other un-explainable way

if im expected to accept air as an illusion then i expect
someone to explain flynn's rationale for modeling mouth
movements and directional hearing in programs -when sound
does not exist.

programmers don't like Superfluous code.

the more we deny any sort of physicality in the tron universe
then the more superfluous things flynn has to program in.

which calls for an extensive knowledge of various computing
disciplines which makes the flynn character even more improbable

what we are left with is this

sound is not really sound
talking is not really talking
directional hearing is not really hearing
sipping is not real
wind is not real

for now lets ignore the peanut gallery who says
"why would flynn waste programming effort to
code/simulate something that serves no purpose"

oh and flynn is a super programmer

flynn is simulating a lot for what is supposed to be
just an operating system. he may be a super programmer
but he does not sound like an efficient or even a
sensible programmer- given his penchant for
un-necessary code.
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Your excessive focus on trying to explain a fictional world with real world physics, and technology is uneccessary and rather superfluous and pointless.

Perhaps you should find something far more productive to do.

ShadowDragon1 Wrote: Your excessive focus on trying to explain a fictional world with real world physics, and technology is uneccessary and rather superfluous and pointless. Perhaps you should find something far more productive to do.

Really? Unless you're his employer and he's posting on your time, or you know that, say, his kids have been sitting for three hours saying "dude, we're hungry" and he's ignoring them...why do you care? You're taking the time to still read and post on a thread you apparently don't give a crap about/disagree with...surely you could also find something more productive to do than call the kettle black by posting on this thread to complain that he's posting on this thread. Nobody was forcing you to read last I checked.