In the video that's on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7N6ALoDR7A
at about 0:11, the picture of what I must assume is Tron City, looks an awful lot like a future San Francisco or something. Is this what the Grid looks like pre-Legacy? We saw little of that. It's almost too big for the Grid. There seem to be mountains with lights going up the side. Plus those huge buildings. Nice for a cartoon but impossible for a budgeted film. But is this really the Grid?

IluthraDanar Wrote:In the video that's on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7N6ALoDR7A at about 0:11, the picture of what I must assume is Tron City, looks an awful lot like a future San Francisco or something. Is this what the Grid looks like pre-Legacy? We saw little of that. It's almost too big for the Grid. There seem to be mountains with lights going up the side. Plus those huge buildings. Nice for a cartoon but impossible for a budgeted film. But is this really the Grid?

According to the figures in Tron: Evolution, the population of Tron City in '89 was 16,453,479. (For reference, the 2008 census puts the population of Manhattan at 1,629,054.) So the city must be huge. It really makes you wonder what kind of disc compression scheme Flynn's using on his hard drive...

Is Tron City the only city, is that what you mean? I imagined it an enclosed city with obvious borders, surrounded by the Outlands and the Sea of Simulation. So is there more? And if so, will it be considered canon, and maybe could appear in the next film? Or at least, be mentioned as in the Grid is bigger than just what we have seen in Legacy.

I guess it's possible that Clu would have shut down/destroyed other settlements and sections of the city in order to better maintain his grip on the system.

Argent Wrote: IluthraDanar Wrote:Is Tron City the only city, is that what you mean? I imagined it an enclosed city with obvious borders, surrounded by the Outlands and the Sea of Simulation. So is there more? And if so, will it be considered canon, and maybe could appear in the next film? Or at least, be mentioned as in the Grid is bigger than just what we have seen in Legacy. Canonicity is always tough to nail down. I'm inclined to regard the stuff that was presented in the movie tie-in games as canon, particularly the PC/X360/PS3 version of Evolution (since the story in that one was intended as a lead-in to the film). If you go by that, there were at least a couple of other known settlements - Arjia, the "spiritual center" of the Grid, and the Bostrum colony, both of which were wiped out in the events leading up to Legacy. So I wouldn't be surprised if other cities and settlements are introduced in Uprising. And hopefully whatever they do in the animated series will carry over to movies/games/other properties that follow.

This just gets stranger and stranger as Tron would say. If Flynn created a city which is logically sound, why would he create a system so vast, it would include more than one settlement? And how did he create the what was it, 16 million programs, alone? Or did he? Did they replicate on their own? It just seems so much more massive than I gave it credit for, making it seem unreal that Flynn did all this himself.

Sso02V Wrote:If he copied Tron over into the new system, he probably copied a bunch of the ENCOM programs too.

True but a bunch does not equal millions. Would ENCOM have that many? I honestly don't know companies tech systems in real life. Is that many normal? Anyone know?

"Our series takes place before the events of the ("Tron: Legacy") movie -- so this is after Clu has risen to power on The Grid. He believes he has killed Tron -- but what we find out in the series is that Tron is actually not dead, he's just very badly injured. He's been hiding, and is training a new mentee"

um, im pretty sure in the film, i saw - or at least THOUGHT i saw - a flashback of the beginning of Clu's Cuop d'etat... and Tron being rectified right there on the spot.... at what point did Clu believe he killed Tron when Tron was a slave from the first 15 minutes of his official takeover?

unless Tron had somehow broken free of Clus rectification once before, escaped, and got recaptured and re-rectified more thoroughly, then it just doesnt make Any sense..... and even then that still wouldnt explain how or even why Clu "believes he has killed Tron" or at what point Tron gets "very badly injured".....

ugh!

Argent Wrote: Kevin Flynn created a system that has the ability to evolve on its own. Today you read about these kinds of life simulations, where you program digital organisms that grow and mutate. It’s cutting-edge stuff, but we’re saying Kevin Flynn was such a brilliant, far-ahead thinking guy that he was experimenting in these new types of code that can do self-generation and evolution. Therefore it doesn’t need maintenance and it doesn’t need input from a programmer to change it.

but such digital organisms which can grow and mutate don't even get old

Several times, the average Grid program citizen is referred to as "Basic", not just a program. My own intuition so far is like this:

1. Flynn created several classes of "Basic" program that were allowed to replicate and populate as many as needed of their "basic type".

2. This is why he exported a few of his "Basic" designs back to the real world for stuff like merchandising - the action figures on Sam's shelf! Sam recognizes a few of these generic Basic designs when he faces one of them in Disc Wars.

3. This may be supported by the fact that Clu must reprogram Basics to make soldiers. It's not that the Grid cannot make programs on its own. It's that Flynn locked the system down so that only certain kinds can be made. Clu cannot "write" new soldiers on his own. So he must assimilate Basics that are allowed to exist by Flynn's rules and turn them into troops.

4. As we see with Rinzler shaking off his rectification programming, this is likely some kind of dirty "code hack" by Clu's engineers, that still isn't truly permanent and can't fully change the nature of a Basic (or other Program). Clu is still locked out of administration level functions in the system.

5. We saw "generic" (or basic) programs in the Encom system already that didn't have to corrospond 1:1 with a single human programmer: the many identical guard programs or tank drivers who were rezzed into existence as required (we would presume). So in Tron reality, it's possible to build a generic program that the system can spawn on command. More individual, hand-crafted programs like Tron more reflect their personal creator and his/her subconscious mind. Perhaps in Tron rules, a program only looks and thinks like his User if the User puts a certain amount of work into the code - a threshhold for complexity that injects the program with a big piece of the User's self.

6. In production material for Tron Legacy, there is an interesting remark that not all programs in the Grid are equal. The more sophisticated and higher their mental functions, the less processed and synthetic their voices. This was an intentional decision and not an arbitrary stylistic choice on who got to have a vocoder in the film. Fully "human" programs like ISOs and Clu have natural voices. Generic Basics or semi-generic programs like the Sirens have some electronic edge to their tones. Terribly simplistic programs like Clu's soldiers have extremely artificial speech.

Radical, man!