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typicaltronname
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RE: A Question about Quorra *MAJOR SPOILERS!!!*

on Friday, December, 31, 2010 1:15 AM


I thought being romantic with here would be like talking to an electronic phone operator.

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Sam and Quorra having a romantic dinner.

Sam leans in to kiss her.

Before his lips touch hers

She says

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on Friday, December, 31, 2010 3:19 AM
DarthMeow504 Wrote:I'm reminded of the Futurama episode with the sunken city of Atlanta, and Fry's marriage to the mermaid woman. Now there was a compatibility problem! LOL

Clearly, the first thing to do with Quorra is sit her down with a computer and let her learn about human anatomy and body functions. Start with the wikipedia page and let her learn from there.

The LAST thing one would ever want to do is try to rush in to sex with a woman who doesn't even know what it IS.

Wikipedia is editied so much with b.s. it probably says babies come from mommy swallowing mentos and drinking diet coke. haha.

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on Friday, December, 31, 2010 10:29 AM
Haha, Wikipedia. A joke indeed. I'm pretty sure that the entry about beefalo still says that my partner's friend was the one who invented them...I'm just sayin'.

Scottn Wrote:Sam would have to teach her how to use a computer first. Haha, otherwise she'd get real frustrated because it wouldn't do what she told it to do.

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on Friday, December, 31, 2010 11:52 AM
IMO, just because she looks and is meant to be a female....doesn't mean she's entirely human! What if she's just physically a woman, but on the inside, is just a sack of protein w/o organs and she is unable to, say, reproduce? It's ambiguous, IMO.

Unless of course, Every time Flynn went inside the system, some of his DNA was copied/cloned, and hence how the ISOs were able to have their own version of DNA.

Just wondering!

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on Friday, December, 31, 2010 1:24 PM
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on Friday, December, 31, 2010 3:19 PM
Sam may want to take a more 'hands on' approach to teaching her human biology.

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DarthMeow504
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on Friday, December, 31, 2010 4:40 PM
Data_Pusher Wrote:Sam may want to take a more 'hands on' approach to teaching her human biology.

That's my point, she needs to learn what she's getting into first. She's already been shown to be an avid reader, so a few websites on the subject should get her up to speed.

Not only does that avoid the risk of her reacting badly to his advances, because she'll know what to expect instead of being taken by surprise, it's also the right thing to do. How can she give honest consent to sex if she doesn't know what it is and what it entails?

Teaching her "hands on" might be a nice fantasy, but it wouldn't work out nearly as well as you might hope with a real woman. Especially not one who is a better fighter than you are.


 
tymantyman
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on Friday, December, 31, 2010 8:08 PM
As I see it, Clu would have been barely able to pass through since he is a copy of Flynn. As far as his troops, since they were basic programs they most likely would not have made the conversion or not lasted long.

Quorra, as an ISO was a complicated isomorphic program, with code similar to DNA, which would allow her to be compiled into the real world since the computer had enough data to work from.


 
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on Friday, December, 31, 2010 10:48 PM
Why do you assume Sam wants to have a relationship with Quorra like that? For all you know, the two of them probably see each other like siblings.


 
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on Friday, December, 31, 2010 10:52 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Quorra goes ahead and takes Sam's last name so she has one. Then she could pass as his sister which would keep suspicion down.

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on Friday, December, 31, 2010 10:54 PM
CB2001 Wrote:Why do you assume Sam wants to have a relationship with Quorra like that? For all you know, the two of them probably see each other like siblings.


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on Friday, December, 31, 2010 10:59 PM
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CB2001 Wrote:Why do you assume Sam wants to have a relationship with Quorra like that? For all you know, the two of them probably see each other like siblings.


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Kat
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on Friday, December, 31, 2010 11:46 PM
Or, maybe Quorra doesn't even like boys. Or maybe she isn't interested in a relationship at all. For that matter, the same could be said about Sam....we never do hear. He's pretty quick to shoot down whether he's in a relationship, which is rather suggestive of, at most, that he has no interest in being in one (unless this is going to be one of those "no interest in being in one until he meets Quorra" things), and we never do hear for sure that he's even heterosexual.

But okay. I gotta say it sure looked like they were setting up for those two to get together. Or maybe it's just that we've been so conditioned by society to expect that the male and female protagonist in a story/movie will get together that we automatically think that's the case. I think it'd be great if they didn't go that same tired old route, even though I have nothing against an S/Q pairing. Though I think having each of them meet someone else wouldn't be great either. (Somebody tell me, was there a good plot reason for Alan/Lora and Tron/Yori, or did it just so happen that way? Somehow I could almost see it being a plot point simply so--and it's painful to say this--the women would have some relevance. Also I admit it's kinda dorky that Tron hooks up with the program of the chick his User's dating, come on, what're the odds? Heh, i always had visions of doing a fanfic where [Legacy-Grid] Tron hooks up with somebody else, maybe even some friend of Sam's he brought into the Grid for some reason [yay more Program/User love], and Alan freaks out about it because the Alan-Lora avatars aren't in a relationship and Alan gets all offended...)

Okay. Tangent over, wow.

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on Saturday, January, 01, 2011 2:34 AM
Kat Wrote:Or, maybe Quorra doesn't even like boys. Or maybe she isn't interested in a relationship at all. For that matter, the same could be said about Sam....we never do hear. He's pretty quick to shoot down whether he's in a relationship, which is rather suggestive of, at most, that he has no interest in being in one (unless this is going to be one of those "no interest in being in one until he meets Quorra" things), and we never do hear for sure that he's even heterosexual.

But okay. I gotta say it sure looked like they were setting up for those two to get together. Or maybe it's just that we've been so conditioned by society to expect that the male and female protagonist in a story/movie will get together that we automatically think that's the case. I think it'd be great if they didn't go that same tired old route, even though I have nothing against an S/Q pairing. Though I think having each of them meet someone else wouldn't be great either. (Somebody tell me, was there a good plot reason for Alan/Lora and Tron/Yori, or did it just so happen that way? Somehow I could almost see it being a plot point simply so--and it's painful to say this--the women would have some relevance. Also I admit it's kinda dorky that Tron hooks up with the program of the chick his User's dating, come on, what're the odds? Heh, i always had visions of doing a fanfic where [Legacy-Grid] Tron hooks up with somebody else, maybe even some friend of Sam's he brought into the Grid for some reason [yay more Program/User love], and Alan freaks out about it because the Alan-Lora avatars aren't in a relationship and Alan gets all offended...)

Okay. Tangent over, wow.

You're right that it could go any way, but being a Disney property I doubt that there will be a homosexual angle. They may be a very open company as far as giving rights and equal treatment to their employees of alternative sexualities, but that doesn't mean they're willing to introduce it into their "family entertainment".

Personally, if I was writing it I could very easily see Quorra starting out rather asexual and ending up bisexual because she has no internal biases or barriers against it. She'd find out it was possible, and think "ok why not?". I see curiosity and a need for affection and companionship (and to give the same) being far more her driving motivation for a relationship than the physical aspect. She'd see people as people and not genders and connect with them on that level. I also don't see her really understanding the monogamy concept either. These rules are foreign things to her.

Sam, I see having been the freewheeling prettyboy kinda spoiled rich kid who has always had flings whenever he wanted and never cared to settle into a relationship. Why would he need to? He was one of the lucky few men alive able to score at the drop of a hat. After his experience in the Grid, however, he clearly does a lot of growing up in an awful hurry. As part of that process, he fought for his life, and saw this very attractive woman Quorra save his life several times, and saw her nearly die for him. That sort of emotional rollercoaster is exactly the kind of thing that could very easily form a deep attraction, and he might easily find himself falling for her before he even realizes it.

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on Saturday, January, 01, 2011 2:52 AM
Kat Wrote: (Somebody tell me, was there a good plot reason for Alan/Lora and Tron/Yori, or did it just so happen that way?)

Alan and Lora were together at the beginning of the film, and we find out through exposition that Lora had been dating Kevin previously and after they broke up she ended up with Alan instead. It struck me less a "reason the female character is there" and more like a "how these characters know each other". It also set up a bit of a love triangle between Yori, Tron, and Flynn which served as a subplot.

Tron and Yori were an item before she was brainwashed by the MCP, and Tron restored her memory. Presumably, they had a history because their respective users were together. Programs definitely seemed to have an alter-ego sort of thing going with their users.

Lora broke up with Kevin because he was an irresponsible goofball, and settled with the much more stable Alan after Kevin was fired from ENCOM. There was still a spark of attraction, but she apparently stuck with and later married Alan and Kevin married an unknown woman who mothered Sam and later died, all offscreen. Unless there's more out there on her than I'm aware of, she would seem to be a completely throwaway character we know nothing about, literally a plot device to get Sam into the picture.

Hope that helps.


 
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on Saturday, January, 01, 2011 2:55 AM
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on Saturday, January, 01, 2011 10:37 AM
DarthMeow504 Wrote:You're right that it could go any way, but being a Disney property I doubt that there will be a homosexual angle. They may be a very open company as far as giving rights and equal treatment to their employees of alternative sexualities, but that doesn't mean they're willing to introduce it into their "family entertainment".
Oh, i didn't say they'd do it. But while we're merely speculating....

DarthMeow504 Wrote:Sam, I see having been the freewheeling prettyboy kinda spoiled rich kid who has always had flings whenever he wanted and never cared to settle into a relationship. Why would he need to? He was one of the lucky few men alive able to score at the drop of a hat. After his experience in the Grid, however, he clearly does a lot of growing up in an awful hurry. As part of that process, he fought for his life, and saw this very attractive woman Quorra save his life several times, and saw her nearly die for him. That sort of emotional rollercoaster is exactly the kind of thing that could very easily form a deep attraction, and he might easily find himself falling for her before he even realizes it.
Yes, that was the impression I got about him too...

DarthMeow504 Wrote:
Kat Wrote: (Somebody tell me, was there a good plot reason for Alan/Lora and Tron/Yori, or did it just so happen that way?)

Alan and Lora were together at the beginning of the film, and we find out through exposition that Lora had been dating Kevin previously and after they broke up she ended up with Alan instead. It struck me less a "reason the female character is there" and more like a "how these characters know each other". It also set up a bit of a love triangle between Yori, Tron, and Flynn which served as a subplot.

Tron and Yori were an item before she was brainwashed by the MCP, and Tron restored her memory. Presumably, they had a history because their respective users were together. Programs definitely seemed to have an alter-ego sort of thing going with their users.

Lora broke up with Kevin because he was an irresponsible goofball, and settled with the much more stable Alan after Kevin was fired from ENCOM. There was still a spark of attraction, but she apparently stuck with and later married Alan and Kevin married an unknown woman who mothered Sam and later died, all offscreen. Unless there's more out there on her than I'm aware of, she would seem to be a completely throwaway character we know nothing about, literally a plot device to get Sam into the picture.

Hope that helps.
Right, but what was the point of the relationships? Why did Lora have to be in a relationship with Alan? Why couldn't her character be meaningful just as another coworker?

(and, I don't care. Still think Tron/Yori is a bit on the dorky side. If programs are only supposed to look like their users but don't really have the same personalities, then what are truly the odds those two would hook up?)

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on Saturday, January, 01, 2011 5:03 PM
Kat Wrote:Right, but what was the point of the relationships? Why did Lora have to be in a relationship with Alan? Why couldn't her character be meaningful just as another coworker?

A, because adding in the romantic angle gave the movie something more to do than just be a sterile computer story, and B, because the backstory between the characters serves to humanize them, fleshing them out as characters who feel like they have lives before and after the hour or two we see them on screen. It especially serves Lora's character well, and I'll explain why.

First off, realize that she's a professional, almost certainly doctorate level research scientist in an era where that's still mostly unheard of. Really, where is she going to look for partners? Can you really see her making it in the club scene of the early 1980s, filled as it surely must be with leftover lounge lizards who haven't quite accepted that the disco daze are over? It's pretty certain that after the half-dozenth Leisure Suit Larry clone awkwardly trying to hit on her, she'd leave that behind in disgust. So where does she turn to find people that will not only respect her for her mind, but actually have the first clue what she's talking about when she discusses her work and interests?

At ENCOM, of course. A place where, as an oh-so-rare female geek, she's practically a goddess and can pick and choose at will. She goes first for the charming Kevin Flynn, but after he loses his job she comes to see him as too immature for her. So she hooks up with his best friend instead, the less charismatic but much more stable Alan Bradley. She sees Flynn as wasting his time "lounging around" above the arcade, wasting his talents and refusing to grow up. She wants, and finds, someone more serious and mature and she finds that in Alan, giving up her youthful attraction for the badboy to settle into a more stable and adult relationship.

Then, in the course of the story, she finds out that Kevin was robbed of his position unjustly and has been spending his time, not partying it up as she thought, but working desperately to try to right that wrong and reclaim what is his. She realizes she has misjudged him, and feeling guilty for having dumped him decides to make up for it by helping him out on his quest. She easily talks Alan into it because let's face it, she's his geek goddess and he's going to do whatever it takes to please her. When she dangles the keys and says "let's go, boys", he obeys. Lora is the one with the power between the three of them, it's her decision that greenlights the plan. When she says it's a go, Alan goes from stonewalling to on board almost as fast as if she'd cracked a whip.

All this in what, twenty minutes? Interspersed with other scenes, even? That short time of character exposition tells us huge amounts about the characters and makes them breathe. They feel like real people, and it's a brilliantly understated and effective bit of character work that is woefully underrated.


 
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on Saturday, January, 01, 2011 5:37 PM
Aw, shit, I'm going back to school to become a geek goddess! Doubt I could minor in looking like Cindy Morgan though.

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on Saturday, January, 01, 2011 6:43 PM
Too many things to quote...
On Sam and Quorra: I also think Sam had those playboy fling years. He is aching for love and acceptance but has been so burned he can't open up to it. Quorra is a weakness to that because his issues go back to the father she has spent years with. She represents all these empty spaces in his heart on top of being a smart, cute, badass. He might gravitate towards her to regain some of the lost time with Kevin. (Sounds a little uncomfortable, but it's psychologically common, no?)

Quorra adored Kevin and learned from him for ages. Meeting Kevin Jr. was no doubt a wonder. I think she wants to feel a sibling type of connection to him but can't bring herself to do that. Not because of attraction but because she has such admiration for Kevin she can't mentally put herself on the same level with Sam. ...Did that make any sense?

I can see Sam falling HARD for Quorra. She would love him dearly, but I really can't tell how she'd respond to a relationship.
Alan and Lora: Though it's not substantiated in anything, I imagine that Lora and Alan were friends before getting involved. He was there for her and after breaking up with Kevin she realized that Alan was a great guy for her. Personal theory. No proof.

It said somewhere (the time line on the official T:L website, I think) that Alan and Kevin didn't really know each other very well before TRON, but it doesn't really seem that way in the movie... I don't know. But it seemed like Lora and Kevin were main characters and Lora brought Alan into it all. Thus making Alan the more unnecessary character, but his relationship with Lora very important to his involvement in everything. I could be wrong- I should watch it again.
Yori and Tron: I ship it so hard. Oh man. I think they are adorable. If programs get qualities from their users, it would make complete sense that Tron and Yori would be drawn to each other. They are vital programs in the system so they probably worked near each other on and off. Tron does all the action stuff, but Yori makes EVERYTHING work. She's amazing. They love how functional the other is. And Tron batting his eyelashes to get into the I/O tower just isn't as effective on an older dude program.

I don't know if the romance is necessary, but it serves to show that there is romantic interaction between programs and that they are all fighting for more than individual survival. I think both Yori and Lora prove themselves as strong, important female characters in TRON so it doesn't matter that they are also in relationships. So what? Love doesn't take away from a character's validity.

Program Lovin: My opinion on this matter changed drastically after seeing the Tron and Yori deleted "love scene". Previous to finding that, I thought it would be too self indulgent to see programs as sexual beings. What would the function be? How could I justify it? But there it is. Blew my mind. Go find it on youtube if you haven't seen it. SHE LIGHTS UP HIS CIRCUITS. WHUT?
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