binaryzero Wrote:outside of the blatantly crazy behavior, my measuring stick is usually irrational choices repeated over and over with thinking one day it's going to work. if you know the pattern leads to crap everytime, why keep doing it?

Sounds like that famous definition of insanity to me... LOL!

woman like money and material.

you could treat women like a princess, but they'll trade you in for a paycheck any day.

Jackie Lawless Wrote:woman like money and material. you could treat women like a princess, but they'll trade you in for a paycheck any day.

Please cite your sources for generalizing all women. Thank you.

Well.....
I really like this girl, but I am virtually incapable of speaking to her. Her desk in class is so far from mine, and when I would usually talk to her in Gym, she instead has health class! and this is the last quarter of school! The only time I can talk to her, is when I come to class early (and I always do) but she always shows up late! What should I do?

Jackie Lawless Wrote: Kat Wrote: Jackie Lawless Wrote:woman like money and material. you could treat women like a princess, but they'll trade you in for a paycheck any day. Please cite your sources for generalizing all women. Thank you. its just something they inherit.

You're dodging the question. Either make a real argument, or quit making generalizations.

Tron Fanatic Wrote: Kat Wrote:But again, what is "crazy"? Crazy to me means, you know, they're so pissed they try to firebomb your house. Crazy means they tried to firebomb your house because you told them you don't like their shoes. "Crazy" as described by most men, including my ex, means, "I fucked her over in a big way and she dared to get angry about it instead of saying 'oh yeah man, it's cool, shit happens'." Many of these men the same ones who would punch out the lights of a guy who did to them even remotely similar to what they did, but that is apparently not "crazy." See the difference? Aye, though the internet age has certainly made it easier to act "crazy." People don't view internet activity as stalking, and soforth. If somebody did something bad to someone else, and that someone else (even though now happily married) was still tracking their every online move 2.5 years later, would that be classified as crazy? As for guys just expecting girls to let go of wrongdoing and be forgiving, I see the opposite in entertainment all the time. Recently this came up in a storytelling brainstorm session. And I was playing with the idea of a guy who came close to making the classic big mistake, realizes his wrongdoing, and begs forgiveness. Unanimously I was told that it would never fly, and the audience would reject the forgiveness, saying, "She should just forget about him and never look back because he's a pig." Interestingly though, when the tables are flipped, such things are not the same. When the girl screws up in the story, everyone hopes that the guy gains the understanding to give her a second chance.

I would say your example is pretty screwed up, yes, and I've known people it's happened to (but they were women and the stalker was a guy). But, for the second example, we're not talking about entertainment, where what people want to see is what they WISH could happen-- we're talking about real life. In which much of what I've seen both in my experience and that of friends requires BOTH parties to act like nothing happened. The difference is that men aren't called "crazy" when they're understandably pissed about it, though they're usually not allowed to give a shit emotionally (women are allowed a marginal amount of time).

Kat Wrote:I would say your example is pretty screwed up, yes, and I've known people it's happened to (but they were women and the stalker was a guy). But, for the second example, we're not talking about entertainment, where what people want to see is what they WISH could happen-- we're talking about real life. In which much of what I've seen both in my experience and that of friends requires BOTH parties to act like nothing happened. The difference is that men aren't called "crazy" when they're understandably pissed about it, though they're usually not allowed to give a shit emotionally (women are allowed a marginal amount of time).

Isn't fantasy what people "want" in reality though? Why is it socially acceptable for a guy to forgive a girl but in the reverse, the popular opinion is, "Dump the jerk?" And that more or less is a reality example too. Guy cheats on girl, girl dumps guy. Girl cheats on guy, guys beat each other up to decide who gets girl. So to summarize that in simplest terms it means, the girl is worth the trouble, the guy isn't.

The emotion element is kinda weird too. But anger in men is becoming less and less tolerated now too. Scary thing I discovered recently: yelling, and I mean just yelling, not breaking stuff, or physically fighting, is still legally classified as domestic violence and can lead to arrests and convictions. Emotion in general seems to be slowly getting filtered out of society. Though obviously women have always been given more lenience in that case, plus they have the hormones excuse to always fall back on. Guys have always been expected to never cry, take it like a man, and soforth, but men had their own ways of dealing with things in the primal order, and those things are all highly illegal now, which means all that's left to do is bottle it all up, and that's a first-class ticket to an early heart attack.

Jackie Lawless Wrote: its not generalizations. you know as well as i do that people date eachother because they cant do better. or as i said before, they know they're capable of getting what they want. its human nature.

Get back in your grave, Chuck Darwin. You're depressing me.

Tron Fanatic Wrote: Jackie Lawless Wrote: its not generalizations. you know as well as i do that people date eachother because they cant do better. or as i said before, they know they're capable of getting what they want. its human nature. Get back in your grave, Chuck Darwin. You're depressing me.

no way dude. they dont have Tron down there. or minecraft.

Ram64 Wrote:Well..... I really like this girl, but I am virtually incapable of speaking to her. Her desk in class is so far from mine, and when I would usually talk to her in Gym, she instead has health class! and this is the last quarter of school! The only time I can talk to her, is when I come to class early (and I always do) but she always shows up late! What should I do?

Update! I started to gain more interest in another girl. especially because of how little I am able to talk to talk to her, and how much more I'm able to talk to this one.

Tron Fanatic Wrote: Kat Wrote:But again, what is "crazy"? Crazy to me means, you know, they're so pissed they try to firebomb your house. Crazy means they tried to firebomb your house because you told them you don't like their shoes. "Crazy" as described by most men, including my ex, means, "I fucked her over in a big way and she dared to get angry about it instead of saying 'oh yeah man, it's cool, shit happens'." Many of these men the same ones who would punch out the lights of a guy who did to them even remotely similar to what they did, but that is apparently not "crazy." See the difference? Naa, anger isn't crazy. I deem crazy as "pushing the envelope to the full extent of the law." I don't think one needs to do something that can actually get the police riled up in order to be crazy. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think everyone who is crazy is incapable of realizing that they could get thrown in prison for acting on their impulses.

Ugh. Not long ago I found a copy of two emails my ex had written our friend after we split up (our friend forwarded them to me). I'd forgotten how bad they were...it's been almost six years and I still felt sick when I read the crap he made up about me. We're talking, he made this whole email sound like I was downright abusive. He was writing shit like (I paraphrase) "I was always afraid to act happy around her so I didn't get smacked" and "I finally feel free to be myself" and "it's so nice not to have to worry about what I say so I don't get hit" and "I never realized how it would feel to be able to make my own decisions, even things as simple as what to eat for dinner" and "I know people are going to tell me they're happy we split up because nobody liked her" and all that. What??? WHAT??? FUCKING WHAT???? NONE of that shit EVER happened. Shit, I was the person who spent four years of my life trying to convince him nearly every damn day not to kill himself, and be there for him, even if there was other shit I needed or wanted to do. And he DARED to tell people I was abusive? (See, I'm getting steamed again just thinking about it) why the HELL would I do any of that shit he said I did???

And he was telling people *I* was crazy??? When he was out there making up shit like that to tell people (and that was just what he told a mutual friend of ours who was more my friend than his even; I can only imagine what he told his family and our other friends). I....don't even know where he came UP with that BS. Anybody with half a brain who had witnessed more then five minutes of our relationship should've known it wasn't true, but I find it's amazing how people will believe what they want to believe, and I'm sure there were a few people who could take "remember that time he was acting like an immature dickwad and she told him to knock it off" and think about it enough and turn it into "remember that time he was minding his own business and she told him he was a disgusting asshole and punched him in the face?" NOBODY ever came out and said "dude, I didn't believe anything he said about you" or "I can't believe he did that shit, he's not my friend anymore." NOBODY of our mutual friends. They just all acted like the whole thing wasn't a big deal.

THAT is crazy. Maybe not illegal, but crazy--to cheat on somebody, dump them by email, well, that sucks, but then try to make yourself look justified by making up awful shit about them. Wow. I never realized that until just now...I just always chalked it up to him being an asshole, but I think that would come damn close to "nutjob" territory.